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Old 07-01-2006, 11:45 AM   #111 (permalink)
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Old 07-02-2006, 11:53 AM   #112 (permalink)
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Anyone ever worried about Excel destroying the filter bacteria due to it's disinfecting properties? At least if an overdose is used for killing algae.

May be this one should go to Seachem as well?

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Old 07-06-2006, 09:16 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Just another fishless cycle, if you have a thicket of plants this wouldn't be anything to worry about.
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Old 07-07-2006, 03:42 AM   #114 (permalink)
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According to Seachem (they talk about reducing properties of Excel) I concluded that those with low tank oxygen levels should be careful and airate their tanks if they dose Excel.

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Old 07-07-2006, 09:12 AM   #115 (permalink)
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It got rid of my hair algae problem but took a while. The black spot algae is still on my dwarf sagg and my Vals started to die off from it. I dont use it anymore and the hair algae has not re-appeared.
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Has anyone else noticed that BBA starts to come back when excel dosing has been discontinued for several months after successfully irradiating all BBA?

Seems like a few tufts of it are coming back now on the wood even though CO2 conditions have been the same for the past few months.
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Old 07-09-2006, 04:11 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Has anyone else noticed that BBA starts to come back when excel dosing has been discontinued for several months after successfully irradiating all BBA?

Seems like a few tufts of it are coming back now on the wood even though CO2 conditions have been the same for the past few months.
Nope. I haven't dosed excel for a few months and BBA hasn't come back, nor has any algae other than green dust that accumulates by week's end.
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:46 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by rybal
especial page 9 & 10 (3.2.1 Aquatic effects)
http://www.jetoc.or.jp/HP_SIDS/pdffiles/111-30-8.pdf
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Having read the entire post start to finish, here's my 2 cents based on the excellent link on glutaraldehyde above

96h acute Grass shrimp LC50 = 41 mg/L
48h acute Daphnia magna LC50 = 0.35 mg/L
48h acute Daphnia magna LC50 = 16.3 mg/L
21d reproduction Daphnia magna LOEC = 4.3 mg/L
NOEC = 2.1 mg/L
96h algal growth inhibition Selenastrum capricornutum ILm = 3.9 mg/L *
96h algal growth inhibition Scenedesmus subspicatus EC50 = 0.9 mg/L
Bacterial inhibition Sewage microbes IC50 = 25-34 mg/L


Based on the pdf link above + observations of cloudy water by other members, Excel causes bacterial inhibition (eg "sewage microbes" above aka nitrifying bacteria).

There may be a compounding effect at play here, any thoughts?

Hypothesis: Excel kills algae at low ppm, inhibits (kills) bacteria at higher ppm (perhaps at levels 2x3 times used as doses by most members)

dead algae + reduced bacteria = altered nitrogen cycle in tank. In this logic, we may also experience an increase in ammonia + nitrites as a result of decomposing bacteria and lack of nitrifying bacteria to process waste.

This, in combination with the effects of Excel's active ingredients, may lead to an increase in available ammonia/nitrite which can:

1) harm fish/invertebrates
2) give plants a nice dose of nitrogen which is easy to uptake (this may explain some explosive growth as documented by others).


Quote from pdf link below:

"Five-day biological oxygen demand and aquatic metabolism studies indicate that glutaraldehyde degrades readily. Accordingly, significant degradation is expected during passage through sewage treatment
works. Reaction with proteins present in sewage effluent will also remove significant amounts from aqueous waste streams. Any glutaraldehyde that may enter receiving waters is likely to be rapidly diluted and undergo further biodegradation."


Keep in mind our experiences differ based on water quality. The RO water in one aquarium will require lower dosages than the rarely changed, high TDS water in another - based on "reactions with protiens present in sewage effluent..."

Just my thoughts and something to be mindful of when selecting your dose.

1) how many protiens are in my water (how often changed?)
2) will the plants be able to uptake higher levels of ammonia / nitrite resulting from bacterial inhibition?

Any thoughts?

michael

ps isn't ecology wonderful?
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Old 09-27-2006, 02:10 AM   #119 (permalink)
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So the level of glutaraldehyde in Excel must be less than 0.9mg/l? I'm guessing of course but as Seachem don't say it stops algae I assume its less than this.

Seems awfully low for such a strong smelling liquid.
but what do I know?


Do we know how long a 3x dosage of Excel takes to kill Algae?


I'm amazed at the low price of Excel in the USA.
A 2L bottle in the UK costs the earth - £42 ($79 US)! whilst in the USA it costs $23.99 or £12!

So I'm keen to find out if I can get it cheaper or is there a substitute chemical?

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I've discovered a supposingly safer alternative to glutaraldehyde - Succinic dialdehyde (succinaldehyde or SDA). See picture.

ref: Toxic Substances Bulletin May 2003 Issue 51

Trade names of glutaraldehyde - Wavicide-01, Cydex.
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