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Raul-7

Tom, you might find this thread(http://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=13395) interesting. Is any of it correct?

ryan_suiso

Rolo

I think you just answered my question Tom. On the thread Raul posted I asked how the undissolved bubbles could not be CO2, arguing pressurized CO2 is at least 99.9% pure. Anonapersona mentioned O2 "cavitating" out of solution. I think you're speaking along the same lines.

And I completely agree with your view on CO2 diffusers. Personally I like them because they are ultra-simple and DO work well for the reasons mentioned.

Troy Hendrickson

No offense, but considering the results I have had with products other than ADA, and the results I have seen MANY other's have without ADA products, I couldn't even begin to justify the outrageous cost of ADA products compared to other tried and true products that have been working for me for quite some time now.

In my opinion, the only thing that hinders many of us from moving to the next level of our aquatic gardening experiences isn't lack of decent products, it's the artistic ability and only time will develop that.

Unless of course ADA is now packaging it at which point here's my card number

ryan_suiso

Troy,



I'm not disputing your ability or knowledge. Sure you can do this hobby on a shoestring, but if you have a few extra dollars why not. I know many do everything on the cheap, yeast CO2, PMDD, commercial lighting, etc. I am not disputing their success. Nonetheless, this is not a cheap hobby. Filter+heater+substrate+CO2+plants+aquarium+lighti ng=not cheap! If you are going to due it go all out! I guess it compares to customizing your car or modding your PC. It just depends on your funds and what looks good to you.

I don't think you can argue that a black diffuser looks better then a glass one. Or a glass inlet and outlet set looks better then a plastic one. Sure it will cost you, but no one is twisting your arm to buy it. It all depends on what you what to spend. It is art and functionality. If this tank is sitting in my living room it better be as aesthetically pleasing as possible. I don't want people to notice the 'tecnology' behide it. I want nothing to distract from my layout. This is just my own feeling.

ADA's products can be expensive. I will not argue that. Of course you can find alternatives for almost everything they offer. Lucky for me I still have family in Japan that still sends me goods cheaper then what ADG is getting It has worked for me, but don't knock a whole company unless you have experienced it.

Regards,

Troy Hendrickson

I would be quite hesitant to even imply that not using Amano products is doing things on the cheap, like I said, there are a lot of products on the market that are as good as anything ADA offers, they just happen to be affordable.

Those companies have supported my hobby in the US far longer than ADA.

ryan_suiso

Troy,

I fully agree. But where can I buy any glass parts? How about CO2 distribution parts? How about a soil that will lower pH and TH? Where can I find these? You can't, as of yet except from Japan. ADA has been doing this since 1995. I feel you are lumping all ADA products together. Sure there are some outrageous ones but the consumers must decide. There are some products I recommend, but not all. Read this post if you did not already:
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ead.php?t=4341

You must remember that ADG is paying wholesale+shipping+import fees+markup and making very little on that even. I know compared to retail Japanese LFS cost.

Like I said, this is for style not finance. We are still taking about CO2 diffusers, right? I got side tracked too. If you want to discuss any other ADA products let me know. As for ADA glass it rules!

Troy Hendrickson

I don't think you've been looking very hard.

But some people need the gold plated trim on their cars I suppose.

Raul-7

I might agree that ADA glass rules. But how durable is the glass? Would it survive a handslip or tap on the sink etc.