Steven_Chong

Honestly, Ame is right

32 degrees C is really pushing it for moss. Even for Java moss, it will survive, but it will never take on its healthier, bushier appearence-- ie, it will never reach its true potential. If ame is going moss, I'd seriously think about a chiller, fan, or something.

So far, there are no moss species in the hobby that likes warmer water. Honestly, even 30C would be pushing it, and 28 C would be uncomfortable for moss. As I mentioned, Java and possibly some others will survive, but none will be able to grow to their true beauty (from my experience and what I understand from posts at killies.com)

anubias probably would tolerate higher temperatures better.

black_lung

From my experience I've found that anubias did not tolerate higher temperatures over 30C very well; they survive, but end up looking pretty nasty. Java moss did better for me, but as Steven said, they certainly don't show their full potential. Really, for the benefit of any plants you consider growing, you should consider getting a chiller.

ranmasatome

Ame,
Truthfully, the temperature in singapore is also like 33 to 35 degrees.. however, we've noted that our water usually stays at around 28-30 degrees when using just a cheap fan to cool the tank via evaporation. This is the only cheap and affordable way if you want your moss to survive in such hot weather.
Mosses that we've been able to grow well (although not showing their full potential) would be mosses like java moss, taiwan moss and spiky moss. If you are considering some kinda of moss for a foreground or on rocks, then i would suggest spiky moss. The only thing is i don't know how easily it is attainable over there. I have found that this little difference in temperature can mean that your moss will wilt or thrive. You can try looking for some fans to cool the water via evaporation. This way i am almost certain that the mosses will survive.
As for nanas..i kinda agree with black lung, the anubias will survive, but they won't look all that fantastic...so i think the first thing you should do right now is to look for that tank mountable fan..and since its a 4 footer..you should consider 2 fans.. However, this would also mean that you would have to top up evaporated water every now and then.

ame

Ranmasatome

Since you are having similar condition ,in terms of water temp and time shortage ,I would request you if you can let me know some other plants that I may include in my aquascape.

Plants with small leaves are most welcome. On the issue of availability I am located in Mumbai ,India and fellow hobbyists have managed to get a good collection of plants.Hopefully I will get the moss. As far as cooling is concerned ,I will go ahead with with 2 fan plan and also open top tank with not much lights.

Hope I get some aquascaping ideas for my new tank.Also this tank will have three sides open for viewing.I mean the front and back and one side of the tank will be uncovered due to my new home interior layout.

Thanks
Ame

stepheus

You can take a look at my 4 ft tank in my signature. I have planted it in a way that it doesnt need a lot of maintenance. actually, i got a thing for low maintenance tanks, so most of my tanks are low maintenance. even my newest ADA tank which is currently on the 1st page of the forum. the 4 ft tank's temp ranges from 27C to 32C - not chilled at all. while temp of my ADA tank ranges from 22C to 27C chilled by fan by day and air condition at night..both at shaded areas of my house.

I think its easier to create a plant list to avoid: mosses, anubias barteri (anubias afzeli in my 4ft tank is doing well), java fern, spiky pipewort, bolbotis, tonina... cant think of more right now. all these plants will grow, but not as good.

However, your option of plants you could have in you tank is endless, you can even opt to go without a fan:
blyxa, lotus plants (trimmed to stay small), Alternanthera, ludwiga (some are slow growing e.g. lud sp. guinea), swords, echinodorus tenellus red, valis nana, mini sagittaria, eleocharis, crypts, Hydrocotyle etc.

However if the price of the fan is justifiable, go for it. Plants grow better at lower temps, no doubt. I think a iwagumi would require the LEAST maintenance if the plants are chosen correctly. with all these suggestions i think you should be well equipped enough to get out there to shop and put together a tank already. Hope to see some pictures soon =)

leelee

"The temperature of the air is always 2-4 degrees higher than the tank because of the physical properties of the water. So at 35 deg. Celsius (95 Fahrenheit) your tank will be about 32 degrees Celsius (89 Fahrenheit)."

Is that really true?

stepheus

in theory, yeah. water has less active molecules as compared to air thus having less capacity in storing heat(energy). well thats theory, but in real fact, we cant deny that 2 different properties can have a equilibrium temperature after a substantial amount of time is given to absorb heat from the same source. water absorbs heat slower, it releases heat slower too as compared to air. See: Sea breeze. so you cant deny that there is a equilibrium of temperature somewhere along that line.

however i think its better to get a submerged thermometer rather than relying on a taking 2 degrees off the temperature of our surroundings. i dunno if this will help ame. this question is best asked at the Water Bucket forum tho. anyways Welcome to APC! =)