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11-02-2006, 09:23 AM
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11-04-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hoppycalif This works because a sealed container of air in contact with water will reach an equillibrium amount of CO2 that is at least proportional to the ppm of CO2 in the water. So, two containers with their water in contact with the same sealed container of air will reach the same ppm of CO2. The "drop checker" has distilled or DI water in it, with a known KH obtained with bicarbonate only - no other source of alkalinity, and no source of acidity. That makes the equation that is behind the pH/KH/CO2 table work correctly (see Chuck Gadd's website). So, if we can measure the pH of that little bit of water in the "drop checker", and we can, by using a pH indicator solution, we can accurately calculate how much CO2 is in that container of water, which will be the same as is in the tank water, since they are connected with a sealed air column. At KH=4, and 30 ppm of CO2, the pH will be 6.6 which turns the bromothymol blue indicator, used in almost all pH kits, green. So, green means you have the right amount of CO2 in the water, and yellow green means you have too much, while blue green means you have too little.
There is no way for the indicator solution to migrate to the tank water, since there is an air gap separating it from the tank water. If it did get into the tank water, it would be about 4-8 drops of a 4% sodium hydroxide in water solution with a little bit of bromothymol blue dye in it. It wouldn't be desirable to have it mixed into the tank, but I doubt it harming anything if it were mixed in.
So, to use this:
First, get some distilled water from the grocery store.
Using clean glass container, pour about a cup of that water into the container.
Next, add a very small amount of bicarbonate of soda - baking soda - Arm and Hammer soda, etc. to the water and stir it up with a very clean stirrer.
Test the KH of that water with your test kit.
Most likely it will be a higher than 4 KH. So, add some more distilled water and repeat the test. (If the first KH comes out to 8 degrees KH, double the amount of water. If it is 6 degrees of KH, add 50% more water, etc.)
When you get close to 4 degrees KH, repeat the test using twice as big a water sample in the vial as the kit calls for, then count each drop of KH reagent as being half the degrees of KH that the kit normally says - for AP test kit, that makes each drop equal to .5 degrees KH. I found I can get very near "exactly" 4 degrees KH by doing this carefully.
Use a syringe to squirt some of this 4 degrees KH water into the bulb of the "drop checker". Fill the bulb about 2/3 full of the water.
Add a few drops of your pH test reagent - use enough to get a strong blue color, but not so much that the water becomes opaque with the blue dye.
Use the suction cup on the "drop checker" to suspend the device two or three inches below the tank water surface, with the "horn" of the "drop checker" pointing down so it traps air in the horn.
After a couple of hours or so the color of the "drop checker" fluid will be at about the equillibrium color, and that should be green if you have 30 ppm of CO2 in the water. If the color is yellow, you have at least 70 ppm of CO2 (and your fish are in serious trouble!). If it is blue, you have about 10 ppm of CO2, which is not nearly enough. |
is the color will be the same of PH test color??
and the water inside the DROP CHECKER with KH of 4.. i do add 7 drops of PH test.. and do i've to add KH test drops? |
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11-04-2006, 02:45 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: 24105 | You need to look at one of the pH/KH CO2 charts and figure out where you want your CO2 levels. At a KH of 4, and a pH at 6.6, you have 30ppm of CO2. At a KH of 5 (what I'm running) you have a CO2 of around 38 to 40ppm. The pH regent will be green at a pH of around 6.6.
You need to use pure water (RO/DI, distilled, etc) and add enough baking soda to get your water to whatever KH you want (this is the fun part - trust me, it doesn't take much baking soda). You then put this water in the drop checker and add a few drops of pH test regent. You want it dark, but not so dark that you can't see through it.
It will be BLUE when you first put it all together. After about 2 hours, you will see that it has changed. If green, your good. Yellow, to much CO2; still blue, not enough CO2.
I noticed in my ADA catalog, they say to use your aquarium water. This won't give you an accurate measurement because of other contaminates in the water. I guess it would give you some kind of idea?
Brian 
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11-04-2006, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kamel_007 is the color will be the same of PH test color??
and the water inside the DROP CHECKER with KH of 4.. i do add 7 drops of PH test.. and do i've to add KH test drops? | The color will be the same as for the pH test kit, since that is what you are doing - measuring the pH of the bit of water in the bulb. It works because that water is "perfect" water for using the pH/KH/CO2 chart, unlike the tank water, which is far from "perfect". Don't add any KH test reagent to the bulb. |
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11-05-2006, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hoppycalif The color will be the same as for the pH test kit, since that is what you are doing - measuring the pH of the bit of water in the bulb. It works because that water is "perfect" water for using the pH/KH/CO2 chart, unlike the tank water, which is far from "perfect". Don't add any KH test reagent to the bulb. | OK.. im understand
SO i put 5 ml of water with KH of 4 and 7 drops of PH test.. as written in my PH test kit,
then.. i can't get this glass of drop checker.. it's not available in my country..
and till now.. i didn't find anything mach it.
could you help me? |
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11-05-2006, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kamel_007 OK.. im understand
SO i put 5 ml of water with KH of 4 and 7 drops of PH test.. as written in my PH test kit,
then.. i can't get this glass of drop checker.. it's not available in my country..
and till now.. i didn't find anything mach it.
could you help me? | Page 1 of this thread shows one way to DIY one. Another way is to use clear plastic tubing, about a half inch in diameter. Bend a small "U" shape. Cement a plug in one end of the "U". Attach a suction cup to the side of the "U".
Another way to DIY one: Get a piece of one inch diameter clear plastic tube, about two inches long. Cement a disk of clear plastic on one end to seal it. Make another same size disk of clear plastic, except with a half inch diameter hole in the middle. Cement that on the other end. Get a piece of half inch diameter clear plastic tube, about one inch long. Cement it in the hole, with all of the tube sticking up into the big tube. All joints have to be water tight. Attach a suction cup to the side. Put the 4 dKH distilled water and reagent in the outside, big tube. Put it in the tank with the small tube opening facing down into the water.
I'm sure there are other ways to DIY one of these. |
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11-05-2006, 11:21 AM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: 39495 | I used a propane torch to bend the test tube from a pH kit. It takes a little practice but the tubes are like $.50 so you can get a few extras. Teh trick is to spin it as you heat it and to make the bend, keep spinning it while pulling slightly apart and forming the bend. |
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11-05-2006, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dennis I used a propane torch to bend the test tube from a pH kit. It takes a little practice but the tubes are like $.50 so you can get a few extras. Teh trick is to spin it as you heat it and to make the bend, keep spinning it while pulling slightly apart and forming the bend. |
Oooh, I like this idea! =) |
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11-05-2006, 01:07 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: 227345 | I did some glass blowing in college, many years ago, but I still recall it being a lot of fun. You could actually make a usable version of this that looks almost like an ADA product, just by starting with that same test tube and heating the closed end until it shrinks a bit, then blow a bubble - not too big - heat the neck and bend it, then anneal the whole thing by heating all of it and letting it slowly cool. You could then heat the open end and use a carbon rod to open it to a larger diameter. Of course you could burn yourself, the garage, the house in the process, but it would still be fun for awhile! |
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11-05-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hoppycalif I did some glass blowing in college, many years ago, but I still recall it being a lot of fun. You could actually make a usable version of this that looks almost like an ADA product, just by starting with that same test tube and heating the closed end until it shrinks a bit, then blow a bubble - not too big - heat the neck and bend it, then anneal the whole thing by heating all of it and letting it slowly cool. You could then heat the open end and use a carbon rod to open it to a larger diameter. Of course you could burn yourself, the garage, the house in the process, but it would still be fun for awhile! |
Hmmm.. that's way to dangerous!!! |
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