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Old 12-12-2005, 08:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm continuing Javalee's discussion started in "My newly replanted 10g". He last wrote the following :

"I bought 2 oz. CaCl2 on a brewery website for cheap! I discovered these home-brewery sites are great places to get mineral supplements for plants. They even sell something called Burton's Water Salts that is designed to raise the GH of water used for brewing to the standards of some river water in England that is famous for making good ale. It adds Ca, Mg, and K in the correct proportions and it's cheap if anyone needs to raise GH. The only reason I didn't use it is because using soil packets left me with some spots that I fear could turn anaerobic and the BWS has sulfate in it. I got Epsom salts for Mg. I just dissolved and added them in as close to a 4:1 Ca:Mg ratio as I could."

CaCl2 is probably the best chemical to bring GH up without increasing pH. In my book, I advocated shells, oyster grit, mineral pills, etc. These are all mostly CaCO3 (calcium carbonate). I think they'll work, but they will probably increase the pH.

I highly recommend CaCl2 for calcium dosing. Several lab people that I work with used CaCl2 (upon my recommendations) to bring the GH up in their softwater tanks. Invariably, it stimulated plant growth. I did not recommend CaCl2 in my book, because I didn't think that non-laboratory folks had access to CaClw. However, Javalee seems to have found a good CaCl2 source. I trust beer brewers!

Chloride has no potential for toxicity while nitrate and sulfate salts do. Soil bacteria will convert nitrate to nitrite and sulfate to hydrogen sulfide. Both products are toxic. The amount of chloride you would add to bring GH up doesn't come close to inhibiting plant growth.

Other chemicals like magnesium, iron, etc can be added as sulfate salts, because they are required by plants in much smaller quantities than calcium. (

For folks with soft water tanks, I would go with Javalee's prescription for bringing GH up in softwater tanks:

Add CaCl2 and MgSO4 (Epsom Salts) in a 4:1 ratio (approximately).
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Thank you for posting this Diana! I too have very soft water and have been agonizing over which calcium salt would be most appropriate for aquatic plants in El Natural aquaria. This is much appreciated.

Thanks again,
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Two calcium chloride sources which are available to the public:

Read Labels:

Swimming pool stores: Calcium Up or Water Hardness Powder

Some forms of de-icing salt (Not all are pure.)
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Originally posted by Diana Walstad:
I'm continuing Javalee's discussion started in "My newly replanted 10g". He last wrote the following :

" ... I just dissolved and added them in as close to a 4:1 Ca:Mg ratio as I could."

For folks with soft water tanks, I would go with Javalee's prescription for bringing GH up in softwater tanks:

Add CaCl2 and MgSO4 (Epsom Salts) in a 4:1 ratio (approximately).
These are two different things. Adding CaCl2 and MgSO4 in a 4:1 ratio by volume will yield a Ca:Mg ratio of about 13:1 in ppm. It's my understanding that a Ca:Mg ratio of 1:1 in ppm is best, which takes a CaCl2:MgSO4 ratio of about 1:3 by volume. See: The Fertilator

CaCl2 is available at: Greg Watson

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Cool Calculator!

Gotta play with it...

For a 20 gallon tank, it says that if you add 4 grams calcium chloride and 1 gram mag sulfate that will result in 21.15 ppm calcium and 1.3 ppm magnesium.

To get a 4 to 1 ratio of ca to mg in ppm you'd add equal amounts of calcium chloride and mag sulfate.

to get a 1 to 1 ratio of ca to mg in ppm you'd need to add 1 part calcium chloride to 4 parts mag sulfate.

Interesting.
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If I had a scale, I personally would have calculated the molar ratio , but since I don't, I just assumed that Ca+2 and Mg+2, having the same charge, would react in the same way with the reagent in my GH test kit. So I raised the degree of hardness first with Mg, then 4 times that amount with Ca. I may be off on this, but I didn't think my plants would punish me too much if I were.

I'll check out the calculator next time. Epsom salt is hydrated so you would have to include the weight of 7 moles of water per mole of MgSO4.
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Javalee,

What you've described is (by far) the most meaningful and easiest way to dose with calcium and magnesium. Otherwise, hobbyists will have to become chemists.

(NOTE: this procedure is only needed for very softwater aquariums where GH = 0- 6 and plants aren't doing well)

Steps in Procedure:

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>Get starting GH of aquarium water

Prepare concentrated solutions of each chemical (MgSO4 and CaCl2)

Add a small portion of Mg solution to the aquarium and measure resulting GH increase

Add Mg solution until you get about what you want (I'd recommend a GH increase of about 1-2, no more)

Then start adding the Ca solution until you get a GH increase that is 4X that of the increased GH due to Mg

The final GH should be over 6, preferably around 8[/list]
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It's the 'El Natural' method for dosing calcium and magnesium. Excellent reasoning, Javalee!

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couldn't you use Turbo Calcium? It's a reef product, calcium chloride I think. (Since I happen to have it in the fish cupboard.)

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Originally posted by sunnysmom:
couldn't you use Turbo Calcium? It's a reef product, calcium chloride I think. (Since I happen to have it in the fish cupboard.)

Stacey
According to the Kent Marine website, http://www.kentmarine.com/saltwater/tc.html the sole ingredient is anhydrous calcium chloride which is perfect and may be easier for some people to get their hands on.

Thanks for suggesting this, sunnysmom!
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