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Old 11-05-2009, 04:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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If I were to buy potting mix from HD to use in my shrimp tank, what should I watch out for and which ones should I advoid adding?

It's getting cold where I live and its not possible to mineralize the soil in this condition (New England weather).

I want to stay away from eco-complete, my pockets isn't deep enough.
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Its the added fertilizers you have to watch out for(Check old posts in this forum it full of them). I know Diana recommends putting fish in right away but for shrimp I would wait till the water tests good for them.
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is this one ok?

http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-Ga...atalogId=10053
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I used the cheep home depot brand. Some people use one of the Miracle Grow brand but I don't know the exact one to use. You could check the posts for the one Diana recommends or wait for someone who knows for sure.
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Old 11-05-2009, 06:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Don't use that one, it has added ferts. If you use MiracleGro brand, use the one that says "Organic Choice". It's in a orange/brown bag rather than the bright green.
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You mean this one?

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053

Are there any techniques of adding it into an already establish shrimp tank without turning the tank into mud?
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I'm still not clear about the difference between miracle gro and eco-complete, is it only the price tag?
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You mean this one?

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053

Are there any techniques of adding it into an already establish shrimp tank without turning the tank into mud?
Yep, that's the one. The only way to put it down as a substrate is to empty the tank completely and begin from step 1 (putting down the substrte). You'll have to cap it with something like gravel, eco-complete, sand, etc... You want about 1" or a little less of each layer.

You COULD make 'mud-cubes' in ice trays and freeze them, then push them down into your substrate, but it's messy.

The difference between this stuff and eco-complete and topsoil is that Potting Soil is mostly organic material (peat, composted bark and wood chips, etc... ). The organic matter provides you with CO2 as it decomposes under your substrate. BUT, it also floats, so you need something to weigh it down. Hence, the "cap" layer.

Eco-complete is a fired clay that has no organic matter in it (if it did, it would have burnt up in the firing process). It is largely inert except for some iron held by the clay particles. It is made from a clay that has a very high CEC, meaning it can hold onto nutrients that you add when you fertilize and make them better available to the plant roots.

Topsoil is "topsoil". The top layer of soil from your yard or from anywhere where they get the stuff to bag it up and sell it. It is mineral soil (sand silt and clay - percent of each in the soil will depend on where it's collected) with some organic matter naturally in it (best guess is anywhere from 2 - 9% ). The good thing about topsoil is that it usually has some Phos and Potassium in it (naturally) and can provide those nutrients for a long time in a tank.

In my humble opinion, the best aquarium substrate would be a mix of 'organic potting soil' and 'topsoil' (70/30 , 60/40 , 50/50 , whatever) to give you the best of both worlds. 1" of this mix on the bottom, capped with 1" of something to hold it down (playground sand, gravel, fired clay substrates). (However, I AM having good results from the organic potting soil alone. )

Whatever route you take, take your time and do it right. Gather up all the plants you'll need ahead of time. Plant the plants before you add water (so you don't get substrate flaoting up through the holes you make while planting) and spritz them to keep them wet. When you're ready to fill, do it SLOWLY. Then, don't touch anything for at least a week to let it all settle and let the plants start growing.

You'll be rewarded with a low-maint, lush tank.
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Tell me if there's something wrong in this technique.

I'll pour the potting soil into a bucket, fill it with water and empty the water several times and then leave it fill with water for 1 week for the soil to gain some weight. I'll add in very small portions at a time since its only a 10 gal. There's a lot of baby shrimps in the tank so I can't really empty it.
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Davemonkey, when you mix the 2 (top soil & organic potting soil) together and then put them in the aquarium, do you just put it in there loose or pack it down some?

Also, you suggest only 1" of both layers? Is there a reason to not put a deeper layer of soil (say 2")?

I just bought a new bigger aquarium and I already have a bag of the Miracle Grow organic potting soil. I still need to get the top-soil and gravel. I plan on setting the aquarium up next weekend
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