ADA + Dennerle - Fertilizing

Radek · 10-20-2009, 11:48 AM

Hi ,

I am a little confused .
I want to use ADA fertilisers , and I don't know how will ADA Brighty Step 1 , 2 , 3 work with Dennerle substrate .

Substrate is formed with:
Dennerle Deponit Mix Professional ~3 cm
Dennerle Quarz Gravel (~1-2 mm) ~ 8 cm :
* Hardener-free
* CO2-proof
* Light-resistant
* Water-neutral
* Grain size 1-2 mm

What do you think about this combination? I know ADA recomends using with ADA substrate , how will react with a neautral substrate?
Please post suggestions and tips.

Thank you!

Philosophos · 10-20-2009, 12:18 PM

ADA fertilizers are expensive; why not go DIY? I can toss together the same nutrients as a 500ml bottle of green brighty "lights" for about $1-$1.50. You don't even want to know how little steps 1-3 contain.

If you want the entire breakdown, thebarrreport.com has brighty light, shade, 1-3 and brighty K broken down as a chemical analysis for something like an $8 trial subscription that includes a pile of other research. It's not my work, and it's not open domain, so I wouldn't feel right giving it away.

The real secret to what makes ADA systems work is ADA aquasoil. Right now it and Oliver Knott's substrate are the only commercial substrates that I know of with biovailable nutrients. Things like fluorite and eco-complete have a little iron, but that's about it.

So, in short, buy aquasoil instead if you can and learn DIY fertilization, even if you just dose by dry volume.

-Philosophos

Radek · 10-20-2009, 12:47 PM

I thought only in combination will work fine .

Ok , it's expensive , but in my country i can't procure chemical substances that easy . I didn't find about the brighty light, shade, 1-3 and brighty K broken down as a chemical analysis .
Is there any topic about DIY fertiliser components?

Philosophos · 10-20-2009, 01:13 PM

My advice would be to find another brand. I misread the report; ADA fertilizers use about 1/10th the concentration I do for my private batches. That's 15 cents worth of fertilizer, and maybe $2 US for the fancy bottle, to which they are charging $20 for.

The analysis can be found here if you have a trial/lifetime membership:
http://www.barrreport.com/barr-repor...html#post26932

There are many topics about DIY fertilizers on barrreport.com and other sites, depending on the method that you want to use. I happen to mix my own liquid fertilizers from individual compounds, so I know a decent amount about the subject.

If you can tell me what the restrictions are in your country, and what compounds you can get, I might be able to find a way to work with what you have. What country are you from?

-Philosophos

Radek · 10-20-2009, 10:51 PM

So ,

I'm from Romania , and we can't usually buy chemical substances as a person , only as a company with autorization .
I don't know what compounds are needed in the DIY fertiliser , maybe i can manage to find some of them .

Philosophos · 10-21-2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radek

So ,

I'm from Romania , and we can't usually buy chemical substances as a person , only as a company with autorization .
I don't know what compounds are needed in the DIY fertiliser , maybe i can manage to find some of them .

Would there be a small business around that would mix the fertilizers for you, based on your own needs? I imagine farmers need to get their fertilizers some how.

-Philosophos

bradac56 · 10-21-2009, 09:18 AM

You should be able to find them easily enough check with any orchard or landscaping supply store or if not them find a farm Ag store that sells planting seeds they should have everything but it will be in 50lb bags (one would last you a decade)

What you would need is:

KN03
KH2P04
Trace (CSM+B)

Optional: Iron Chelate 10%

- Brad

armedbiggiet · 10-27-2009, 04:59 AM

Potassium

armedbiggiet · 10-27-2009, 05:37 AM

Wow, just go through some of the Tom Barr's writing and this guy really hate ADA or just hate business man who turn hobby for money. I like ADA products, think it is clean and easy to use with a result that I can see and only required to use very very little at a time. ADA ECA and ADA Green gain are some very nice products too. I almost agreet with him untill I saw $79 dollars to be a lifetime member... though he could support the website with less money. Back to your topic, ADA + Dennerle, I know some people done it and they like it other wise I would not recommand people mix brands but you had already use Dennerle why not use something that match. Good luck with what ever you end up using in Romania and don't forget to post some pictures of your tank later!!

bradac56 · 10-27-2009, 08:22 AM

I would go back and actually read anything Tom Barr writes about before forming a opinion since your not even close armedbiggiet. As a matter of fact most of Tom's tanks have ADA substrates in them. Like most of us Tom doesn't use the ADA liquid ferts because of the price since diy dry ferts are just as good but the substrates are the best on the market.

- Brad