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07-13-2011, 08:16 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Video: Has to do with Laminar flow Some time ago we all agreed that in a planted tank it's better to have laminar flow. Compared to turbulent flow it should provide better removal of the particles that we want to go through the filter.
We talked about ADA's way of setting up the outflow and inflow. How they make a gyre - a directed stream of water that "pulls" particles from all parts of the tank.
We all agreed that perfect laminar flow is impossible to create in a planted tank. But one needs to strive to be as close as possible.
Well, this video will give you a very good visual idea how the water in the aquarium can be seen as a single body. That's the basic idea behind using a gyre and the efforts to maintain laminar flow. Simply put if we can grab and pull the water in one corner of the tank we can move the entire volume of water. And make it go through the filter. And all the particles, from all corners of the tank too of course...
Hope that makes sense. And hope that the people that were interested in that discussion still remember it. Here, this is how the water can be seen behaving as a whole body. The effect is created by using a special pump set to work in a special mode. Simply put it's like pushing a swing - a small push in the right moment and place makes the entire swing go back and forth further and further and further. Meaning that if you pull gently at one "end" of the water and keep doing it you will involve the entire body of water and if the debries from around the entire tank are in suspension they will come along too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB5dfLYkK7k
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07-13-2011, 08:34 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to to with Laminar flow Very cool! If you remember my results posted in the old thread ( I even made a little diagram/drawing) is is what I experienced when I moved my filter pipes to the front/back.
I didn't get the wave motion, but the direction of the water was the same. Due to the lily pipes shape it was swirling around in the motion you see above, but also pulling from the end of the tank opposite the outflow and dragging water to the inflow.
One day, I would love to get that pump system when I get a bigger tank. |
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07-14-2011, 09:05 AM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow For the lurkers: Quote: |
Originally Posted by wiki Laminar flow, sometimes known as streamline flow, occurs when a fluid flows in parallel layers, with no disruption between the layers.[1] At low velocities the fluid tends to flow without lateral mixing, and adjacent layers slide past one another like playing cards. There are no cross currents perpendicular to the direction of flow, nor eddies or swirls of fluids.[2] In laminar flow the motion of the particles of fluid is very orderly with all particles moving in straight lines parallel to the pipe walls.[3] In fluid dynamics, laminar flow is a flow regime characterized by high momentum diffusion and low momentum convection.
When a fluid is flowing through a closed channel such as a pipe or between two flat plates, either of two types of flow may occur depending on the velocity of the fluid: laminar flow or turbulent flow. Laminar flow is the opposite of turbulent flow which occurs at higher velocities where eddies or small packets of fluid particles form leading to lateral mixing.[2] In nonscientific terms laminar flow is "smooth", while turbulent flow is "rough."
The type of flow occurring in a fluid in a channel is important in fluid dynamics problems. The dimensionless Reynolds number is an important parameter in the equations that describe whether flow conditions lead to laminar or turbulent flow. In the case of flow through a straight pipe with a circular cross-section, Reynolds numbers of less than 2100[4] are generally considered to be of a laminar type;[5] however, the Reynolds number upon which laminar flows become turbulent is dependent upon the flow geometry. When the Reynolds number is much less than 1, Creeping motion or Stokes flow occurs. This is an extreme case of laminar flow where viscous (friction) effects are much greater than inertial forces. The common application of laminar flow would be in the smooth flow of a viscous liquid through a tube or pipe. In that case, the velocity of flow varies from zero at the walls to a maximum along the centerline of the vessel. The flow profile of laminar flow in a tube can be calculated by dividing the flow into thin cylindrical elements and applying the viscous force to them.[6]
For example, consider the flow of air over an aircraft wing. The boundary layer is a very thin sheet of air lying over the surface of the wing (and all other surfaces of the aircraft). Because air has viscosity, this layer of air tends to adhere to the wing. As the wing moves forward through the air, the boundary layer at first flows smoothly over the streamlined shape of the airfoil. Here the flow is called laminar and the boundary layer is a laminar layer. Prandtl applied the concept of the laminar boundary layer to airfoils in 1904.[7][8] | 
An object moving through a gas or liquid experiences a force in direction opposite to its motion. Terminal velocity is achieved when the drag force is equal in magnitude but opposite in direction to the force propelling the object. Shown is a sphere in Stokes flow, at very low Reynolds number. 
In the case of a moving plate in a liquid, it is found that there is a layer or lamina which moves with the plate, and a layer which is essentially stationary if it is next to a stationary plate. 
The streamlines associated with laminar flow resemble a deck of cards. This flow profile of a fluid in a pipe shows that the fluid acts in layers and slides over one another. |
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07-14-2011, 09:15 AM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow I can't think of anything to say but started typing.
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07-14-2011, 10:16 AM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow interestng video a lot of the salty people are using those they can push out almost 3,000gph per an hour... what i also played around with is power heads. one power head on the left point up to carry water to the top right back corner which push water to a power head on the top front right corner then that one push water to the left power head... |
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07-14-2011, 03:42 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow So Niko I remember reading where John C. is using one of these pumps. I can't imagine how it would work in a planted tank. The one you sent a link didn't have movement like that. Am I mixing something up? |
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07-14-2011, 03:51 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow Oh no no! This wave action is not to show what we want in our tanks. It just shows how the water can be viewed as one whole body. All of it moving together. And you can use these properties of the water to achieve better filtration if you point the outflow in a certain way, place the inflow precisely and so on. That's all.
I personally consider these wavy tanks super ugly. Imagine having this sloshing abomination in your living room. Very beautiful indeed. I do understand that the animals probably love it because they are used to such wave action. But it just looks really bad to me.
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07-14-2011, 04:30 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow Yes I understand the example. Did John C not use these pumps? |
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07-14-2011, 08:03 PM
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iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow I don't know if he used them. In his super sleek "Vanilla" tank there is one I believe. But I'd be something to hear that the pump is used in that wave mode. |
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08-17-2012, 06:10 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bryan, TX iTrader Positive Rating: 100% Plant Points: | Re: Video: Has to do with Laminar flow I've been traveling a lot lately and was able to compare two "planted" systems recently, the Llano near Junction and the San Marcos. I am well convinced about the laminar flow, and I am eager to play with volume as well. Looking at both systems where the vegetation was super thick, obviously the laminar vs turbulent depending on the exact location and depth. But the water flow was amazing regardless, and the plants looked great. In the deeper areas of both vegetated streams the flow was like a wall of water moving over and through the plants, and I pondered how on earth I could replicate that kind of movement in an aquarium. I'm not sure it'd be feasible, but I could probably come close with a large enough tank, and a broad enough water outlet and inlet (but that means $$$).
I'm mostly just excited to see a filtration sub-forum and decided to ramble on a bit, but also, take a moment to picture our vegetated streams/rivers and what the water movement looks like. Maybe we should get a trip to the Llano scheduled. It's great fishing as well! |
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