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Old 01-14-2008, 04:46 PM   #21
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build


Here are a couple of new pictures showing the tank progress. I've basically finished with the West System epoxy and need to install the glass and then apply some black paint epoxy to the inside. In the mean time, I've been working on a pedestal and stand.

The tank stand is to be positioned in a unique place. The front is located over the wall that used to separate the living room (ca. 5” depressed floor) and porch. The wall is nonstructural but the arch was reinforced like it was structural. This edge/surface represents about 1/8 of the surface that the pedestal spans. 2/8 span over what used to be the closest floor (see 2nd surface label) with particle board with basement below (left side of photo). The remaining 5/8 span the new floor that I build up over the porch. The three surfaces were not all level. I probably could have solved the leveling issue with leveling cement. Instead I built the pedestal to support the stand/tank and help disperse the weight more over the floor. Also, I’m plumbing the pedestal with a floor drain and additional drain for tank changes and an emergency overflow of the sump. I’m trying to avoid every having to tear up the floor that I build over the patio. I plan to add trim around the pedestal to hold any water so the drain can do its job. Everything will eventually be coated with polyurethane. I’ll route some grooves in the surface to lead water under the stand and to the drain.


This is the front of the pedestal and stand. Notice how high the top of the pedestal is over the living room floor (ca. 10”)


This is the rear of the pedestal and stand. The level shows the location of the inset drain. "Primary surface"= 5/8 surface; "2nd surface" is the 2/8 surface.

My primary concern is how the stand will be tied into the wall… Originally, I was planning to build out the stand so that it has a surface even with the wall and tie it into the wall with drywall. I’m somewhat concerned that some settling may occur and the drywall will crack… A couple of other options are as follows: First, proceed as planned but do add some sort of decorative trim that connects the ultimate tank trim to the floor like decorative legs to hide the drywall seem. I’m also considering adding particleboard and plastering over it (after its coated with poly) to have a more rigid surface (is this a bad idea?). Another option is to position the stand back enough to build a wall section across the pedestal (sort of like the pictures at the top of this build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1046155). This last option might still have cracks but at least will be tied directly into the wall with screws and 2*4 instead of just drywall. It might also help make the stand more stable.

Because the living room floor is ca. 5 inches below where the pedestal sits, the stand feels a bit tippy (99% illusion because its sitting on an edge instead of a flat surface) from the front since it is propped up on a stand sitting on the edge of the pedestal which is sitting on the edge of the wall with a recessed floor (see pic its tough to explain… The last option would be to tie the front of the tank and stand into the wall and make it feel more stable. Honestly, once water is in the tank, I suspect it will feel plenty stable. I’m thinking of taking some liquidnails and gluing the stand down to the pedestal. This would prevent me from ever moving the stand and changing the alignment/cracking the drywall...


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Old 01-22-2008, 01:38 PM   #22
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

When you started to mention placing the tank with a slight inset, I immediately thought of a small alcove before I finished reading the sentence. Anyway, if you went with that, if any cracking were to occur, it would then be in an inside corner of the alcove and therefore more easily repaired.

The particleboard is tempting at first, but I've noticed a lot of cracking whenever two dissimilar wall materials meet. Particle board will expand and contract differently with the weather and I think it may ultimately look worse sooner.

Ultimately, I think your best bet is to do the best you can with your tape and mud, wait for anything to settle that needs to, and then re-mud in a couple years. Something tells me that 210 gallons of water will shift a little until it settles in and will crack whatever you do.
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Old 03-10-2008, 09:21 PM   #23
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Old 03-10-2008, 10:10 PM   #24
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

Why not leave the stand flush with the wall and assemble drywall which stops about 1/2" short of the stand. You could then use a decorative moulding to extend out from the drywall to cover up the gap and overhang a small portion of the stand. The gap at the bottom of each sheet of drywall is covered up like this in residental construction. It would also not be in rigid physical contact with the stand and would allow for slight motion.
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Old 03-17-2008, 04:51 PM   #25
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Can't wait to see how things are coming along.
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

Wow, what a great project.
You will have something to be VERY proud of for many years.
I will be following along with this thread, only wish I would have found it earlier.
Nice work.
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Old 04-13-2008, 02:09 PM   #28
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

I finally finished the closet portion of the room remodel. The closet is mostly done. I plan to hang to sliding mirror doors to separate the fish room from the closet. Its great having a closet again.

Back on topic-

I decided to frame in front of the stand and will eventually tie the stand into the framing.


Since the picture, I've cut a piece of plywood to span from the new frame section to over the stand & painted everything. Any shimming will be done with metal flashing strips. Installing the glass and cutting the holes (overflow & return) will be next followed by some more epoxy including the interior black coat. Also, I plan to have some styrafoam between the stand top and tank bottom.

I've also been experimenting with making my own rock but don't have anything worth showing at this point. I was studying various limestone rocks and trying to recreate some for the tank. I'll also need to do some sanding on the bottom of the tank to make it more level (off by 2-3mm in spots, probably because of epoxy).
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

Hi,

I'll have to add some pictures...

1) I've added the glass
2) added the black epoxy to the interior of the tank. The black epoxy is more rubbery than hard and had an incredibly bad smell. I did it on the porch and had to wait for warm weather. It is actually cool here.
3) I also did some changes to the pedestal--what a pain.
4) I've made some rocks that I'm pretty happy with they are soaking in water to help them reach a stable pH. I kept them moist and cool for ~6 days to get super hard and now have them soaking. I used white cement mixed with some agronite (think that is spelling). So they ended up being a bit pricey to make but they all look like they are from identical material which is typically what you'ld encounter. [this is sort of overboard] I've made three short rocks. My idea is to have them just poke out of the sand and provide the elusion of a larger rock(s) below the surface.
5) I've painted the front with black paint.
6) I've been working on some plumbing while waiting for a bit more epoxy to arrive. Basically, I used more than I thought leveling the bottom of the tank. I need to add some additional wood to the euro bracing top (expoxy + screws), detail (route, paint, etc.), and then it will be ready for a water test. My overflow has two drains. I plan to have one empty at nearly the same rate as the pump is returning water to avoid degasing. I'll explain more later. I read about some similar designs that are super quiet. We'll see how it actually works though. The second drain will be a backup. I've also added a backup drain to the sump to keep it from overfilling...

So with some luck and more work, I'll be doing the water test soon. I have a baby boy on the way and am trying to rap this up ASAP...
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Default Re: ~210g inwall epoxy/plywood tank & fishroom build

Awesome!
Congrats on the kid. He's going to have something really neat to look at!!!
Hopefully he'll have long arms and can help you trim the tank in the years to come.
I can't imagine doing a project like this with kids on the way. We have enough trouble getting things done while we're babysitting, and those kids go home every night. I'd love to do something like this, but I don't know where all the time would come from. (Maybe less time on the forums would be a good start. Yah right.)

What did you have to do to the pedestal?
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