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Old 05-04-2014, 05:54 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I love large built-in tanks too. I'm coming back around from loving rimless tanks as well. While I love the look, I also don't like the fact that fish constantly take what I have dubbed the "fatal leap of faith."

Have you ever kept Rasboroides vaterifloris? They are simply stunning and really good schoolers.
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I love large built-in tanks too. I'm coming back around from loving rimless tanks as well. While I love the look, I also don't like the fact that fish constantly take what I have dubbed the "fatal leap of faith."

Have you ever kept Rasboroides vaterifloris? They are simply stunning and really good schoolers.
I agree, rimless tanks are still the most beautiful, but perhaps not the most practical.

About the Rasboroides, I've never seen them before in the Netherlands. Beautiful fish indeed!
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Rummy nose fish are really tight schoolers, though they are pretty expensive.

What fish leap out the tank Aaron? I think I've only had that happen once or twice ever.

I also prefer rimless, but those tanks are so much more expensive than normal tanks. Rimless and starfire glass hmmm..... yummy.
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Impressive. The big tanks look even bigger when small fish are added.

The schools actually have room to harmonize (term?).

Doesn't LED penetrate deeper than Fluorescent lighting because it's concentrated in the downward?

With LED light strips you could have the whole tank surface exposed in view under the upper cabinets. Just use black pipes.
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Hm, a sump.

Why would you want a sump? Does this tank of yours also have one?
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...tml#post695394

What is it that you have seen with canister and other filters that you don't like?

To me if anyone will be doing a big tank like that they would be making a mistake to not go with a sump. Such size tanks need to be both clear of any equipment AND setup to the best of our knowledge/experience so algae are never a problem. We can play with small tanks all we want but algae in a big tank are a true nightmare.
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What fish leap out the tank Aaron? I think I've only had that happen once or twice ever.
I've lost half my pencils jumping out, the remaining don't seem to be jump happy. All killifish are a no go. Dwarf rainbowfish can take a jump now and than. And when CO2 gets a little too high, you'll find 40 amano shrimps on the floor all over the house!

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Hm, a sump.

Why would you want a sump? Does this tank of yours also have one?
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...tml#post695394

What is it that you have seen with canister and other filters that you don't like?

To me if anyone will be doing a big tank like that they would be making a mistake to not go with a sump. Such size tanks need to be both clear of any equipment AND setup to the best of our knowledge/experience so algae are never a problem. We can play with small tanks all we want but algae in a big tank are a true nightmare.
You mentioned it already. I want the main tank to be clear of equipment and I need a boatload of canister filters to get the filter volume I would like to have. 10 Canisters doesn't seem like easy maintenance either

The tank in questions doesn't have a sump unfortunately. It has only two large canister filters And flow is way too low, so I added a streamer, but all this means extra equipment in the tank and still no extra filter volume. esides that, Amano says a sump is the best, so definitely go for the sump
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What about a sand filter meant for pools as mechanical filtration? You can get a small one for about $250 off ebay and it will be enough for a tank way bigger than yours. These things are a mechanical filter that can make water crystal clear AND allows you to flush the filter as often as you want by just opening a valve.

The only thing that I think will be a problem is the motor. I am not sure if an Eheim Compact pump can run such a filter. The sand, when dirtied up, may have too much resistance. The pumps that are normally used with these filters are too big and noisy. But they are meant for huge volumes too - 10,000 gallons for example.

If you like to think that gurus mean what they are saying (like Amano and his comment about sumps) then you must have seen more than one huge tank on which Oliver Knot has uses two very big pool sand filters. Granted - these are tanks on which everything is overdone because they need to cover all bases since they are being serviced by someone that has to physically go there. But the setups make sense anyway.



Here's one that Knott made. There is another picture with two sand filters under a big tank. They are bigger than these orange ones - about 1 meter tall.
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Rummy nose fish are really tight schoolers, though they are pretty expensive.

What fish leap out the tank Aaron? I think I've only had that happen once or twice ever.

I also prefer rimless, but those tanks are so much more expensive than normal tanks. Rimless and starfire glass hmmm..... yummy.
Everything jumps out. I had 30 bloodfin tetras a few months ago. I now have 2. I don't keep schooling fish anymore because they just don't last.
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I've seen the sand filters on his tanks. I asked Oliver about it but never had a reply.

Does anybody know what is in Amano's private sump? Or about the filtration from the large tanks in the Sumida tower?
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Eh, you expect useful details from these people? You are a very, very nice guy. Bottom line is - most of Knotts tanks have serious filtration - especially mechanical. But not all. I believe that it is all in how everything is maintained, not in what piece of equipment is used or what fertilizer is being added or not added.

For years ADG in Houston, Texas (http://www.aquariumdesigngroup.com) ran planted tanks for very generous clients in a very straighforward way - their own mix of rich substrate capped with inert gravel, CO2, and always the same type of lights. Zero water column fertilization. Pretty puny canister filters and very bad flow rate and flow pattern. Zero testing of parameters. Their tanks stayed clean - with extremely high paying clients you got to be the best and ADG were and will always be. Houston is a huge town and you can not afford to visit every tank every other day. How did they keep all these tanks clean I do not know but it is all in how it is done, not about equipment, parameters, and ferts. After they paired up with Amano they started using his system but often it was obvious they also did whatever is practical. These days they are about to come up with their own line of everything planted tank and we will all see the same thing - whatever is popular in the internet as a way to run a planted tank is not what they do and advise. Including some of ADA's approaches/products.

Amano has a single published diagram of the sump at his house. It is full of bioballs from all things. I do not recall seeing mechanical filtration. But keep in mind - this entire "big tank surrounded by a pond I designed outside" is part of the marketing. Naturally there is a lot of interest how the big tank works. Naturally we will not know the whole story. A nice, simple, clean Japanese diagram is what we get.

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