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Old 11-11-2008, 05:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default First planted aquarium-need help

I have recently decided to have a go at creating my own planted aquarium after being amazed after seeing some of ADA's tanks. I have only run a 35L and 60L tropical tanks before so definitely still an amateur. I have decided to get my tank early during the planning process so Im committed to the project. Due to budget and other reasons im currently looking at the Aqua One Evo 100 tank which has a capacity of 190L (50G), 2x39w T5 lights with reflectors and an advance 1050 filter although my plan is to put another Eheim classic filter in as well.
This is a website reference for the tank specs.
http://www.aquaone.co.uk/EVO.php

AS a beginner I don't want to make mistakes right from the very start so any feedback on whether this is a suitable tank would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not planning anything to extraordinary but would like a well planted well thought through aquarium that is easy to maintain but still provides challenges and satisfaction.

Any advice on set up would be greatly appreciated I've been currently looking at JDL co2 systems and ADA substrates and alternatives. As I'm sure you can tell there is plenty more research to do and I'm just beginning to pick up the basics but willing to learn and persevere. All help will be appreciated and any more info needed can be provided.

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Old 11-11-2008, 01:23 PM   #2 (permalink)
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hi neil,

welcome to APC! it's good that you want to take the time to learn as much as you can. a lot of new comers to the hobby jump right in trying to grow the plants that are very high maintenance, without understanding their needs properly. as a result, they don't get what they're expecting.

as a start, i would suggest you give these two threads a read:

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ead.php?t=8790
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ad.php?t=14684

once you've absorbed the information contained in them, and have a good understanding of what's needed, i would suggest reading these two threads on plant fertilization. they are two methods that are very popular, the EI Method and the PPS Method. IMO, the PPS method is the simplest to follow.

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ad.php?t=15225
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ead.php?t=4241

hope this information helps and good luck!
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Welcome to the club, Neil.

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Thanks freydo and gravy9 for the replies it was much appreciated. I've read the threads and found them to be extrememly useful. My plan at the moment is for my first aquascape is to base my aquascape around another one I've seen (Rank105 Jason Baliban's entry in this years IAPLC) as I've heard that will help because alot of the info on plants etc can be found easily. Also it will help me learn the process but with a clear direction and alot of the information needed readily accesible, hope you agree.
My aim over the next month or two is to concentrate on tank, filters, lighting and CO2 equipment and then delve into the fertilizers, substrates, plants and fish as a second phase later on. I have pretty much decided on the tank specified im my original thread running its spec filter and I've decided to go with an Eheim thermofilter as well to give extra filtration and keep as much as possible external. Any views on the suitability of this tank and equipment will be greatly appreciated. The standard lighting I dont believe will be enough as its only 2x39W T5's, can any one help me with the equation i need to figure out the wattage of lighting that i will need. The current problem I'm having is getting to grips with the CO2 equipment. I've decided to go for a pressurized CO2 system but i've looked at many but to be honest i need help with the basics of what i actually need and what every part does. I will read through as many CO2 system threads as i can tonight, but if anone knows a good thread fortthis or can help explain whats required and for what purpose, what I should be looking for and considering my early spec of my tank what would be recommended to run on it, any information would be greatly appreciated.
I will be going to see how ADA (ADA representatives from Italy to be procise) do it on Dec12th as they are visiting a shop in Wrexham UK called The Green Machine so I know that will be useful but if I can have an understanding of the basics by then I think it will be a lot more useful to me.
Thanks for your replies and keep them coming.
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Neil,

You mentioned that you're using 2x39W T5. Is it normal or HO?

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You mentioned that you're using 2x39W T5. Is it normal or HO?
They are normal T5's with reflectors
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neil: you definitely do not have enough lighting, especially if they are NO T5 lamps. personally, i follow (to a degree) the WPG rule, as a starting point. where it goes wonky is if you use individual reflectors for your lamps. i would consider getting 2 more lamps, and go to T5 HO lamps if possible.

as for the CO2 setup, what you need is a CO2 tank (naturally), that you can get from either a fire extinguisher supply shop or beverage supply shop. i get mine from a beverage supply shop, and after paying for the initial cost of the tank (20lb one), when the tank is empty i return it and swap for a new one. the benefit of doing this instead of buying a tank and getting it refilled, is that the tank needs to be hydrostatically checked every 5 years. if it's found to be too old, you will need to replace it as it will no longer be safe to use. with the swapping, you don't have to worry about that part. i would suggest at least a 10lb tank, as this means longer times between refills.

the next item you will need is a regulator and needle valve. there are many places to get them. you can check out a few of the sponsors on this site for the one that suits you best (and yes... i'm referring to cost ). from there you need CO2 resistant tubing and a check valve. it is also a good idea to get a bubble counter (of course some regulator packages include this), as this will help you determine how much CO2 is getting injected into your tank. to help disolve the CO2, it's good to consider getting a CO2 reactor. you can either purchase one or even DIY one yourself, which i think is a better route to go. lots of threads in the DIY section on how to do this. i myself have a DIY reactor, of course it's way more exotic than the ones found here of course, instead of the reactor, you can use a diffuser instead, but after so many weeks or months, you need to clean the ceramic disk in a water/bleach solution.

IMO the rest is really not needed, just more stuff to possibly fail. you can get a solenoid (sometimes included in regulator packages) that can shut off the CO2 supply when lights are turned off, since plants do not use CO2 during that time. you can also get a CO2 drop checker as a visual aid if you have the proper concentration of CO2 in your tank. personally it's just one extra thing in your tank, and i just watch the condition of my fish. you can also get a pH controller, which monitors the pH levels in your tank and will increase/decrease the injection of CO2 depending on where you set it. honestly... this is the least needed item, but others will tell you different. again you can just look at how your fish are coping. one thing i would suggest is getting a pH water tester, such as the Hanna PHEP5 PH/Temperature Tester.

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There you go, freydo!
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Freydo thank you so much for your help U've been a life saver. I've been looking at the aquamedic CO2 set complet as shown here-
http://www.aqua-medic.de/freshwater/en/2/CO2%20complet/
Would this do the job? I will still need diffuser, solenoid and reactor is this correct?
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