AaronT

Agreed. I've kept well over 200 species of plants to date and while some do have similar appearances their subtle differences are still appreciated by most.

renaudw

I'm sorry I didn't communicate well. I'm not trying to prevent anyone from keeping/trading/naming any plant the way they wish. I'm not asking for anyone to change whatever they're doing. I'm asking for help with an addition. It's not an exclusive proposition: having common names to complement Latin ones.

It just so happens that when plants have common names, we tend to use them, because (for reasons highlighted in my previous posts), they're more convenient. Once again, if you feel better handling a Nymphaea zenkeri 'red' rather than a Tiger Lotus, that's super -- it's just not how most people feel. And I think APC could help with this naming process.

But how about helping me come up with common names for the plants in the PlantFinder. Be the one to name that plant! Come on, that would be pretty cool.

AaronT

How about we start a thread about common names where people can suggest them? That would probably be a good start.

BryceM

Hmmmm. I'm not sure about that. I have nothing against common names, but it's far easier for me to use the Genus and species for most plants. At least it avoids a certain amount of confusion on the reader's part.

I also have nothing against you trying to suggest "new" common names. Just don't be disapointed if it doesn't work out the way you want. You're trying to change something that has evolved in the hobby over several decades.

Cavan Allen

It complicates our communications needlessly? I disagree! In fact, I'd say it's the exact opposite. Take 'Red Ludwigia', for example. What exactly does that mean? L. repens? L. arcuata? L. palustris? If one says, or types L. repens, it avoids a lot of unnecessary confusion. L. repens will always be L. repens. Pretty simple.

Specie is coin money and has nothing whatsoever to do with nomenclature. One species, two species.

Nobody I know, even amongst the most diehard nerds like me, goes around saying Ludwigia inclinata var. verticillata 'Cuba'. It is frequently known as just 'Cuba'. So yes, people do use common names here and there.

We try to incorporate the commonest of the common names in entries (say someone wants to know what his locally bought 'baby tears' is), but apart from including those, I don't think that introducing 'new' common names is something to be encouraged. In fact, I see it as possibly cluttering communication and therefore counterproductive. Scientific names have their advantages (I won't won't delve into why once again here) and that's what we'd like to promote.

The system created by Linnaeus isn't perfect, but it works, isn't abstruse , and is well suited to our purposes.

Our local fish club is probably one of the best anywhere, with some really accomplished breeders (locally raised loaches and so forth). People there toss around common names (mostly for common stuff) but all use scientific names and you can bet your bottom dollar that they know what everything is.
That's a main point of mine right there, that at least somebody knows.

Nobody has to go use scientific names or keep up with the latest updates if they don't want to and that's fine. Our purpose here is to provide a place where people who, for whatever reason, do want to know what is what can find out what they have, how to care for it and so on.

As Aaron has pointed out, some of us enjoy researching plant identities and pinning down what someone has the same way that some people like aquascaping.

xavierj123

That's a good point. for example I saw as ad for an HM bush which I assumed was Hermianthus micanthemoides. It appears that some call this Pearlweed and some call it Baby Tears. Can anybody clarify this?

hooha

both common names have been used for that particular plant, as well as for several others (ie Hemianthus micranthemoides, Micranthemum umbrosum, and Hemianthus calicitroides have all been called 'baby tears'). An HM bush, despite the abbreviation, gives more clarity than a "Baby Tears bush", which could mean 3 different plants.....

miremonster

About pronunciation of latin:
http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf

Another problem: new plants (especially mosses) often come into the trade with wrong scientific names and I think these may cause much more confusion than popular or phantasy names (not sounding like scientific ones) would do. When new plants are presented under scientific names (as trade names), often I wish to get more information about the source of the name (who has determined the plant, which company sold it first under this name, etc.) in order to estimate the reliability of the scientific (or seemingly scientific) name.

ingg

I do have to second what Cavan said.

I give the guy a really hard time - in a good natured way - about scientific names. I am routinely the guy who says "aww, just call it XXX" with a roll of the eyes and a chuckle. But that is all it is, good natured ribbing.

In reality, you can bet your fanny I know about 95% of the latin names - and can spew them just like anyone else, too. It is sort of a rite of passage within our club, you learn them quickly, or you stand there wondering what plants are in the auctions.

Especially in an online venue, knowing and using the proper naming is important - using the Didiplis Diandra/L. Arcuata/L. Brevipes example, some mediocre photography equipment and/or skills could make all of them look very similar in online photo shots - but all are quite different in person.

(And coming from someone who's photography is most commonly referred to be the self monikered "Horrid and Blurry" within my club, believe me, I know it can be done. )

In person, yes, I tend to want to use common names when it is applicable and useable. I almost always abbreviate proper names - Ludwigia Cuba, Anubias Petite - in person. I sometimes use abbreviated names, but almost never common names, over the internet though.

ingg

PS I *am* an auctioneer for my club.

I find it far more frustrating when people don't label, or mislabel, plants, than to take 5 seconds to learn a new pronunciation as an auctioneer....

I got caught once in about 80 bags this past meeting, the formal name for a Polygonum (Ruby I think it was... Presser-something, lol) that I hadn't seen before. I took out 5 seconds to find out what it said, and we were good to go.

I'd rather do that than stand there staring at a bag labelled Myriophyllum that is obviously a species of Cabomba and try and figure out what to do - which also happened this past month. Or a bag simply labelled "Anubias", and try and figure out which one it is while in the spotlight. Sometimes, short versions of names are baaaad.