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Old 07-08-2008, 02:12 PM   #1
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Exclamation Potassium test results

OK for those of you who are interested in what happens to K. I received my test kit from LaMotte and did my first test Sunday 7/6. After 10 days doing PPI here are my tank results:

N03: 6 ppm
P04: 0.2 ppm
K: None detected

My plants were showing the effects of low K so I added suficient K to bring my level up to 10 ppm.

Any suggestions on how often you'd like to see tests results?

BTW I'm going to get Fe and CO2 test kits as well.
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:23 PM   #2
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Default Re: Potassium test results

Does this mean the potassium you were dosing, presumably the K part of the KNO3, was all taken up by the plants and/or adsorbed by the substrate? (If the substrate material has a reasonable CEC it should adsorb some potassium.)

I suggest adding some or more K2SO4 to the PPI formula, dosing for ten days, and rechecking for potassium. Repeat that until you get a measurable value. Then dose that mix for a week or 10 days and re-measure potassium, repeating several times, to see if it accumulates and how fast.
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On 7/6 I checked my water and found that there was no detectable K; so, I added sufficient K to bring the level up to 10 ppm. On 7/8, I rechecked the level and K was at about 8ppm.
I can see a noticeable improvement in plant growth since 7/6 as well as an increase in algae growth.
I add the PPS recommended levels of nutrients daily and replace about 20% – 30% of the water, weekly. I add the equivalent of 20 ppm of CO2 each morning as well as the recommend amount of Flourish Excel.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:46 AM   #4
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Exclamation update on KPN levels

OK here are the KPN levels after 17 days on PPS

K none detected
PO4 0.2 ppm
NO3 7 ppm

Added K again to bring level to 12 ppm

It appears that after 17 days nutrient consumption is limited by available K.
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Default Re: update on KPN levels

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It appears that after 17 days nutrient consumption is limited by available K.
Not exactly true because K is a mobile element. Plants do take more of K then they actually need so assuming a deficiency from testing K excess is probably misleading.
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Not exactly true because K is a mobile element. Plants do take more of K then they actually need so assuming a deficiency from testing K excess is probably misleading.
I agree that K is a mobile element in the fact that it is not incorporated into the structure of the plant and is constantly being exchanged for other K outside the plant. But from my understanding of cellular biology it doesn’t seem possible for a plant to take in more K than it needs.

Cellular levels of K must be in a very narrow range for cells to function properly. Plants have biochemical mechanisms that “pump in” and “pump out” K. They can concentrate K from the environment using “pumping in” mechanisms. As the level of cellular K increases, the “pumping out” mechanism starts up. Eventually, the “pumping in” and “pumping out” mechanisms are in balance and the level of K remains constant in the cell.

As long as the plant volume is constant, the level of K in the plants and aquarium water will be the same. As plant volume increases, more K is required and is removed from the tank water.

It may be that my plants have been suffering from a long term deficiency and the amount of K being taken up is just bringing the cellular level back to normal. If that is true then K consumption will eventually decline. I’m interested to see what happens.

BTW. My notion that growth is limited by available K is not unique. There are a large number of aquatic plant fertilizers on the market that supply only K, Fe and trace elements.
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Default Re: Potassium test results

Hi ray-the-pilot,

Very interesting thread, please keep us updated as your analysis continues!
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Default Potassium test results

Weekly update:

K 15 ppm
PO3 0.3 ppm
NO3 7 ppm

It looks like the extra K that I added over the last two weeks has finally been incorporated into the plants.

I did an extra 10% water change and will try one or two more during the week.

Over the weekend I made some changes to my tank.
1. Did some aggressive algae control including removal from glass and driftwood.
2. Added 6 more Oto Cats (total of 11)
3. Added 3 Siamese Algae Eaters
4. Added 15 Cardinal Tetras.
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Default Re: Potassium test results

Are you planning on making a chart(s) of your results?
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Default Re: Potassium test results

OK here is the weekly update:

K 15 ppm
PO3 0.3ppm
NO3 10 ppm

Here are the details.

Because of visitors, I was unable to do any water changes this week end.

After reading about the toxic effects of gluteraldehyde, I decided to stop using Flourish Excel. Maybe I’ll automate CO2 additions. I have to figure out a way to measure the CO2 added. Anyone have a suggestion.

Subjectively, my tank seems in really great condition although I’m starting to worry about too little algae (yes, I’m worried about starving out my algae eating army).
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