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Circa1285 09-16-2011 08:41 PM

Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Dont know how many people have used Flourite and/or EcoComplete.

I'm interested and would like to know/or rather hear from people who have used this for a while (1+ year(s)). And how its holding up in the long run, because some say its awful, while others that I have heard from say its good. (Again good not great).
I have been using both for about 6 months now and its working fine, but I have been noticing plant growth isn't at "optimum level", they are growing and some plants are growing better than others, and I am noticing thick stem growth, and large bushy leafs but I do dose about once a month. Or maybe I might want to get better soil in the future....

Thirston 09-17-2011 06:02 PM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Both of those products are great if used correctly.

Plants will grow just fine in either product, but to realize greater growth will require more fertilizing. Both the water and the substrate will need a boost.

You mentioned dosing something once a month, but to get even better results you will want to start dosing at least weekly if not daily. You'll find that the elements you're adding to the water once a month are probably depleted within a weeks time if not less. Try adding more fertilizer more frequently. Instead of adding 100 units once a month try adding 30 units 4 times a month.

You said it all in your post. It works "fine" but plant growth isn't at "optimum level". In order to make the substrate "great" and get "extraordinary" results you'll need to fertilize more frequently and consider adding CO2 as well as possibly adding more light. A decent substrate is only a fraction of a great tank. And you can even get "great" results from a cruddy substrate by adding root tabs, water column ferts, and CO2.

niko 09-18-2011 04:35 AM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Both of those products amount to inert gravel. Eco being a little better because it's more porous.

Fluorite holds together just fine for 10 years. It will not fall apart. And it will not do anything that an inert gravel can't do to help your plants grow.

What you see in plant growth is not due to any magic characteristic of these 2 substrates. Any substrate becomes "live" at some point - even if you use finely crushed glass. Proper flow of water through the substrate, temperature, and gas/food exchange between waste/microorganisms/plant roots is what makes a substrate better or worst.

For now you cannot beat AquaSoil which helps you from day 1. But you can achieve the same results with patience and common sense using anything else - including Fluorite and Eco.

--Nikolay

Circa1285 09-18-2011 01:56 PM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Thanks Thirston and niko for the response.

I know its a great substrate myself because I have been using it for a while now and love my plant growth, but I know every plant is different and some need more than others when it comes to Vitamins, Minerals, Co2, Lighting, Substrate, and Time. I just needed feedback from other people who have used this product, because I'm tired of going online and reading negative feedback on these substrates when I know there good.
And yes I will agree with both of you that the substrate is only a portion that leads to overall great plant growth. And I know that Co2 plays a major roll in overall plant development (finally got my 20lb Co2 Tank with Azoo Regulator and Amano style Glass Diffuser set up). As well as the dosing regiment on the plants. So lets see how it turns out.

Thanks for the "Fluorite holds together just fine for 10 years", it was nice to finally see/read that. Don't know if this setup is going to be around for that long, but who knows.

Circa1285 10-15-2011 10:05 PM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Finally starting to see some amazing growth, and color 1 month after starting this post.


Thanks again to those that replied.

johnny313 10-26-2011 10:41 AM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
after a year I add more.

gladiator008 11-01-2011 01:37 PM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
May i ask do you add any liquid fertilizer to your aqauriums?

jart 11-05-2011 04:57 AM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by niko (Post 606340)
Fluorite holds together just fine for 10 years. It will not fall apart. And it will not do anything that an inert gravel can't do to help your plants grow.

Just wondering if there is any reason to expect that Flourite might not last indefinitely. The reason why I am asking is that i have some used Flourite that is about 7 or 8 years old that I would like to use in a new set up.

wkndracer 11-05-2011 06:43 AM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
Flourite is a fired clay product (read as crushed brick).
Eco Complete Planted Substrate is based from volcanic materials is my understanding. Neither should 'fail' or become useless simply based on time in use.

These products can also be cleaned like any gravel or sand used for tanking plants.

Bleached, sun baked, H2O2 soaked and rinsed.
Used both and prefer the Seachem brick product on this one.

Bradleyv1714 11-08-2011 06:26 AM

Re: Flourite, EcoComplete Feedback
 
When I first got my tank I was trying to decide which one of the two to get... which I ended up getting eco... with just eco the plants were growing but very slowly! Then I started researching on different ferts as my tank is low tech with no co2 and low-med lights I didn't want to get a fert that was too much for my tank. well, long story short! I got osmocote in gel caps and seachem comprehensive and with one being mainly for rooted planted and the other for stem plants/ water fert. My plants have gone insane with growth and they have gotten way better coloring! I am amazed with what the ferts have done. I even put the ferts in my 10 gallon which only has inert gravel in it and the plants are going CRAZY!!! I think it's the ferts that make the difference.


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