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Salt · 10-11-2006, 11:57 AM

Just to point out some additional info...

Plant Products (http://www.plantprod.com) makes CSM.

The product Edward is using is NOT CSM. Greg Watson sells Plant Products CSM to which he himself adds boric acid (I would guess Plant Products brand boric acid).

Edward is using a Plant Products product called CMM.

The main difference between CSM and CMM is CMM comes with 1.3% boron but not magnesium. CSM replaces the 1.3% boron with 1.5% magnesium. All other micronutrient concentrations are the same.

To me it looks like the benefit with PPS is that we like to dose magnesium separately, so CMM gets magnesium out of the trace mix. It also makes adding boron to the mix unnecessary, which I personally think is better than altering a product (adding boric acid to CSM).

Greg Watson probably goes with the CSM because it includes magnesium. He would do better (IMHO) to sell CMM and simply point out that it doesn't contain magnesium, so you would want to dose magnesium sulfate separately if your water is low or doesn't have any magnesium in it. (After all, he sells magnesium sulfate in his online store.)

(My personal issue with using Plantex products is that these products are designed for use in soil or soilless media, as stated in the Plant Products PDF's. They may work OK in aquariums, but I prefer a product that's actually been formulated and tested to work in aquariums (Tropica Master Grow or Flourish). Flourish also contains vitamins and amino acids.)

Edward, it would help users if you provided some tips, info, or a link on where one can purchase CMM. For example, Froogle returns zero results when searching for it (example here or here).

Plant Products PDF's:

Plant Products CSM
Plant Products CMM (third page)

10-11-2006, 11:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Salt Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 678 iTrader Ratings: 0 Plant Points: 17715	Just to point out some additional info... Plant Products (http://www.plantprod.com) makes CSM. The product Edward is using is NOT CSM. Greg Watson sells Plant Products CSM to which he himself adds boric acid (I would guess Plant Products brand boric acid). Edward is using a Plant Products product called CMM. The main difference between CSM and CMM is CMM comes with 1.3% boron but not magnesium. CSM replaces the 1.3% boron with 1.5% magnesium. All other micronutrient concentrations are the same. To me it looks like the benefit with PPS is that we like to dose magnesium separately, so CMM gets magnesium out of the trace mix. It also makes adding boron to the mix unnecessary, which I personally think is better than altering a product (adding boric acid to CSM). Greg Watson probably goes with the CSM because it includes magnesium. He would do better (IMHO) to sell CMM and simply point out that it doesn't contain magnesium, so you would want to dose magnesium sulfate separately if your water is low or doesn't have any magnesium in it. (After all, he sells magnesium sulfate in his online store.) (My personal issue with using Plantex products is that these products are designed for use in soil or soilless media, as stated in the Plant Products PDF's. They may work OK in aquariums, but I prefer a product that's actually been formulated and tested to work in aquariums (Tropica Master Grow or Flourish). Flourish also contains vitamins and amino acids.) Edward, it would help users if you provided some tips, info, or a link on where one can purchase CMM. For example, Froogle returns zero results when searching for it (example here or here). Plant Products PDF's: Plant Products CSM Plant Products CMM (third page) Last edited by Salt : 10-11-2006 at 11:13 PM.