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Old 02-24-2007, 02:11 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What if a Rack was created with all the different tanks with the different types of water and flow that they need at different stages of life? Then they could be moved to them, just like in the wild?

I would really love to come to Hawaii and join you guys... But I don't think I could even afford the plane ticket from RI to Hawaii... Let alone food and room lol.... Someday

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Well, they said that no one yet knows EXACTLY the cycle they follow so I don't think that would really work.

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Old 02-24-2007, 05:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Six-- Rubra is a different species.

The word "Opae" means "shrimp" in Hawaiian. All the shrimp are "Opae-something-or-other." Among many local hobbyists, "Opae" short-hand (with no specifying name put with it) has come to frequently refer to the wild neocaridina we use as feeder shrimp.
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local fisherman also use the term opae for the small saltwater species that we use for bait as well. pretty much used by all to describe any small shrimp here.

the feeder guy must be on a roll, just happened to look in a feeder tank today at a lfs and there were tons of them. bought like 20 of them for 3 bucks total. the sales person was giving me funny looks when i was catching them. you normally cant choose your own feeders, but i gave the story of only wanting large ones and she eventually gave up asking me if the one she caught was large enough and let me catch my own. they usually end up being the last in the tank as they are much harder to catch than the neos. in a net of shrimp, they are the ones immediately up and walking out of the net.... may go back for the few remaining in the tank to rescue them. two of them were carrying eggs but i dont have the time or resources now to even attempt to raise the fry, so just put them in my 120g planted with all the other ones i have found. may try later to setup some salt water tanks and try to keep the shrimplets alive. heck i may just dump them in my opae ula (rubra) tank at work and see if that works. i have been breeding the opae ula regularly now for over a year and they also go thru a larval floating stage....
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the feeder guy must be on a roll, just happened to look in a feeder tank today at a lfs and there were tons of them. bought like 20 of them for 3 bucks total. the sales person was giving me funny looks when i was catching them. you normally cant choose your own feeders, but i gave the story of only wanting large ones and she eventually gave up asking me if the one she caught was large enough and let me catch my own. they usually end up being the last in the tank as they are much harder to catch than the neos. in a net of shrimp, they are the ones immediately up and walking out of the net.... may go back for the few remaining in the tank to rescue them. two of them were carrying eggs but i dont have the time or resources now to even attempt to raise the fry, so just put them in my 120g planted with all the other ones i have found. may try later to setup some salt water tanks and try to keep the shrimplets alive. heck i may just dump them in my opae ula (rubra) tank at work and see if that works. i have been breeding the opae ula regularly now for over a year and they also go thru a larval floating stage....
Good to hear you've got some!

Would shipping them over here count as domestic shipments? So It wouldn't need any specific paperwork? If so maybe If I get the room I'll have to get some and give them a try.

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it would count as domestic, but the socialist state of Hawaii has some pretty strict laws regarding native species (almost all are threatend or on the endangered species list unfortunately). they are also so hard to come by on Oahu anyway (they are a little more common on the outer islands). getting the larvae to survive is just the begining, you also need to consider the reverse acclimation back to full fresh water, no one knows much about how that happens either. like Steven said, think amano shrimp but harder.....
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yo Ken,
easy on the histogram, they arent that colorful! You want to shoot them using their filters? try bbs in still water. Mine go nuts grabbing them out of the water column.
I also recently pulled some fat ones ones out of a stream last week. (actually picked them off the rocks!) too bad you aren't on my team, could've told you where...







Nah, just playing! These guys are out there, just gotta keep looking. Knowing that they do coexist with denticulata makes it a little easier. I think you guys were concerned with collecting in places where denticulata was not, right?
I'd look in streams that do not have populations of bass and hemichromis (that leaves out lots of places in town) Streams without these introduced predators are choked with inverts.
The other way to find them is to have Jojo and Brent bully the feeder shrimp guy into telling where his secret shrimp collecting stream is. I believe a simple triangle choke would work.

Hey Aaron,

Good to see you are still alive!

Actually, on the first two photos, I didn't mess with anything and my d70s was set to default contrast/sharpening. On the last two photos all I did in photoshop was auto color and increased contrast a little (+7).

As far as you finding the shrimp..............you can't hide that stuff from me ................I really really want to observed these things in the wild. Were they really crawling out of water on the rocks? Cuz if so that is so cool! When we went to look for them in manoa the first three times all we found were the denticulata, no natives.

Can you at least give us a hint of where? North shore? windward? Pali?

Thanks,

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local fisherman also use the term opae for the small saltwater species that we use for bait as well. pretty much used by all to describe any small shrimp here.

the feeder guy must be on a roll, just happened to look in a feeder tank today at a lfs and there were tons of them. bought like 20 of them for 3 bucks total. the sales person was giving me funny looks when i was catching them. you normally cant choose your own feeders, but i gave the story of only wanting large ones and she eventually gave up asking me if the one she caught was large enough and let me catch my own. they usually end up being the last in the tank as they are much harder to catch than the neos. in a net of shrimp, they are the ones immediately up and walking out of the net.... may go back for the few remaining in the tank to rescue them. two of them were carrying eggs but i dont have the time or resources now to even attempt to raise the fry, so just put them in my 120g planted with all the other ones i have found. may try later to setup some salt water tanks and try to keep the shrimplets alive. heck i may just dump them in my opae ula (rubra) tank at work and see if that works. i have been breeding the opae ula regularly now for over a year and they also go thru a larval floating stage....
Yo havoc,

That info was supposed to be confidential! You weren't supposed to air that out there! No how are we supposed to find them if we really want them? They will always be taken by others!

Well I guess this option is better than them actually being used as feeders!!!!!! At least they should find good homes instead of "the belly of the beast".

On another note, sorry for not calling you, I do need to talk to you about some other stuff.

Ken T.
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Yo Ken, sorry man now the secret is out... but yeah most of the ones i see would end up fed to some guys oscar or arrowana... most stores i found them at wouldnt know the difference between the two anyway. even when they looked at them after i caught them they still didnt see a reason i wanted those particular ones... better for us.

no prob on the call, i spoke to Robert and he says there is a delay on the stuff. oh and i hope your ready to take some plants back, i need to trim badly...
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No wonder the native species are being choked out by Neocaridina. The natives require brackish water? I'm not sure what any species would have to gain biologically by having a complex breeding cycle.

These native Neocaridina, would there be any way to start shipping these guys to the mainland? I'm sure the natives would appreciate it, and I'm sure a lot of hobbyists would like some (me, for example).
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hey Ken,
Ah I forgot. It's not that your PP skills are shady, its the fact that you're shooting Nikon.

hehe just messing w/ ya man!

I'm not dead... its called work. For the sake of my hobby, I need to do one of two things... retire, or be like Chuck!

I was just pulling your leg about finding them. I haven't looked in streams in a long time. I really think they are out there, you just gotta look harder. You gotta believe that the shrimp guy who supplies the lfs isn't trecking miles and miles into the far reaches of the koolaus. he's probably just scooping some stream near his house. Start with one valley and if they aren't there, move on to the next. I bet you'd find them in Palolo or even in the valley above Kahala.

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