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Old 04-20-2005, 12:47 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Sorry, I still feel as Robert Hudson does about this.

You can tell quickly if someone has done the science and if the product works, they give data and it shows consistent effectiveness.

They waffle around the issue all through their comments.

Bio cycling in an aquatic ecosystem is something I have professional, academic and hobby based experience in specifically related to water treatments and aquatic plants.

I'd welcome any real data, thus far, I have yet to see a single bit.
We have folks come around and try and sell the state of CA snake oil every so often to kill weeds or algae. I end up doiung the research to see if it works or not.

Why I am harsh on it?

This product line preys on ignorance, suspicion and people's attitudes, not if it's truly effective or not based on data.

If they had the data, they'd proudly display it.
That's a solid sale. If you don't have any data, then you have to work on the sales.

I demand data for things being used here in CA to control these pest. No data, no support, does not make sense on a critical level, don't even bother.

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Old 04-20-2005, 12:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Relax. Most are just giving it a try- seeing if they see any results. No big deal, they don't seem to worried about it one way or the other. Just satisfying curiosity- like I've been doing. I know that pains some folks to hear, but it's not that big a deal I don't think. Don't worry,this is not going to be the next revolutionary product or big-seller or anything. Sorry I don't know how to conduct a proper university lab research study on it- wish I did. Want me to send you some, Tom?? Give it the ol' college try?
Sure.
I'd like some background research first. Any real data anywhere? Or is any data a trade secret?

Trade secrets relate to the materials and mixes, not the data from the results.
So why is there not any?

I'll test some things, but I've tested literally 20 things just like this over many years, all have failed and gone the way of the Dodo.

You are welcomed to send me some.
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:57 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Wow- what an ancient post. I forgot about that long ago. Personally, I'm through with trying to convince anyone of anything regarding this product. I like what it does for my tanks and that's about it. I merely answer questions as they are asked; had 2 just yesterday.
On a side note, sales of Penac W on a recent order went up 300% from the previous order. Dodos rejoice.
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Hi all,

Is there any worthy follow up data?

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