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Old 01-15-2008, 08:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Which one is better? I don't really mind the looks but what about plant growth? Between these 2 which is substrate is better for growing plants?
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Default Re: Eco complete vs Flourite

IMO they are both great at growing plants. To me its about looks and price. You can get the regular flourite pretty cheap (14 per bag @ drs fosters) but some dont like the looks. I myself am going to setup a new 100 gallon and I think I will go with the eco for looks but it is gonna cost me an extra $7 a bag which in a large tank equates to some serious $$$. My other tank I mixed the two.
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Substrates don't fit well into a ratings scheme. The only substrate that seems to be significantly better than all the others is ADA Aquasoil, but even that comes with problems - it leaches ammonia for at least a few weeks after the tank is set up, requiring regular water changes to control it. The other substrates can be picked based on availability, how they look, how easy they are to plant in, and their effect on water chemistry. Eco Complete does have some effect on the water, and Flourite doesn't. That may not be a problem, or it might be. Eco Complete is a natural material, mined, not manufactured. So, it can vary from batch to batch. Flourite is manufactured, so it will be more consistent.

My current favorite is Black Flourite Sand.
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I am not sure how this translates to differences in plant growth, but if I had to guess and I could be mistaken I would think that you may get better growth of deep root feeders like crypts and swords with Eco-Complete. This is based on the fact that Eco-Complete has a higher nutrient content than Fluorite as per:
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...-question.html
I have read about the issue about phosphate leaching from Eco-Complete substrate and I am not really sure if this would cause major issues with re: algae blooms. It has been demonstrated that excess phosphates are not likely to create issues in an aquarium and the levels at which they would be considered critical are very difficult to achieve in an aquarium.

If one of the reasons that ADA Aquasoil grows plants so well is due to the fact that it is so richer in nutrients then you would think that a substrate with a higher nutrient content with all other things be equal(c02 injection, water column ferts, appropriate lighting) should show better plant growth. Keeping in mind that many who don't use water column ferts with ADA Aquasoil still experience explosive plant growth.

I am just speculating here and cannot speak directly to how well Eco-Complete would grow plants vs Seachem fluorite as Eco is on my list of substrates to test. When I grew plants in Fluorite, I found that the fluorite sucked when it came to growing rooting stem plants like ludwiga repens, ambulia, and rotala indica.

Lol, I would love to see a comparison of ADA Aquasoil original and II vs Eco-Complete. Only if Amano was not so secretive about what the nutritional compositon of ADA Aquasoil is.

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I would have to say eco-complete is my pick. I prefer the rich black color and it's grain size difference makes it easier for me to work with.
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I think they are about equal in plant growth. But I think that Eco is easier to plant in and there is no rinsing required, open the bag and pour it in.
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Default Re: Eco complete vs Flourite

They both work great. I use Eco Compleate because it is pre-washed. Flourite tends to make the tank cloudy if not washed properly, but then be careful with water changes so you don't stir the gravel to much, your water will cloud up.
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Default Re: Eco complete vs Flourite

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Eco Complete is a natural material, mined, not manufactured. So, it can vary from batch to batch. Flourite is manufactured, so it will be more consistent.
I do believe its the other way around. I do know for a fact Flourite is mined and this is why Black was so hard to come by as they never had found large veins of it until recently. This is also why the new Flourite Black has specks of the original flourite color in it. EC is 'all natural' but not naturally occurring.

Here is a short article from The Krib:
Re:Flourite
by Greg Morin <greg/seachem.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999
> Dr. Morin, could you please comment on this? You stated at one point I
> believe that Flourite was a naturally mined material. Is it subjected to
> high heat (fired) during processing (to increase internal pore space I would
> assume) or is it just cleaned, crushed and bagged?


Well, I can't say too much without getting in trouble

All I can say is, the material has experienced high levels of heat.
It is naturally mined. And the order actually would be crushed,
cleaned, and bagged

Hope that helps, but I can't really say much more without giving away
a little bit of the "secret".

- -Greg Morin

Gregory Morin, Ph.D. ~~~~~~~Research Director~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seachem Laboratories, Inc. www.seachem.com 888-SEACHEM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Default Re: Eco complete vs Flourite

IMO, eco-complete is easier to plant in but harder to keep the plants staying in. Flourite is heavier and will keep the plants in but is harder to plant smaller plants such as glosso and HC. I like the black color of eco and I hear that the black flourite is finally out, maybe you can use that.

On a side note, does anyone have the new Black Flourite? I'd like to see a picture of it up close if they can possibly do that.
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Default Re: Eco complete vs Flourite

Go to the Sponsor Forum and then to Seachem. There is a long thread on the new line of Flourites as well as some older ones on the same subject.
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