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Old 08-05-2008, 09:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: Do plants like cold feet? The Sequel

go to the barr report he has a whole article up on his site entitled "why heating cables don't work" its a very interesting read
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well here are my 0.02$.

I have used heating cables for over 2 years now, and since i moved to my new house i finally removed them since my tank had to be emptied anyway. Not only does it use 25 watts of power (which was on 24/7) it also was in the way of my plant roots. The plants rooted to the cables, meaning when i did a trim, the cables went up also.

I fixed this by tying the heating cables to so called "root-cloth" it is a woven plastic which is used in the Netherlands in the garden to prevent weed from growing through your garden. This also gave the possibility to "lead" the heating cables exactly the way i wanted them to be.

Anyway, since i moved (1 week ago ) i removed the heating cables so i can't really tell if it is going to make a difference in root development untill some time has passed.
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Old 08-06-2008, 07:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, I guess I have no choice but to write a rebuttal to Tom's post.

To avoid copyright issues, I'll TRY to summarize some of the points and then give my thoughts.

The paper that was referenced does not seem to support any position on heating or pore size of the substrate. The paper referenced is here.

To me, what this paper shows is that for the aquatic macrophyte Littorela uniflora, light, root morphology, root density, and sediment reducing capacity all played a role in the oxic zones around the plant's roots. In other words, this plant, like most other aquatic macrophytes, transports oxygen to the substrate via it's roots. This system was impacted by the above factors.

I personally think this papers supports some of the assertions we are making in this post. Please note that this post is not a "Heating cables are great" discussion. The intent is to think through, as Tom suggests, what it is that creates the best environment for our plants.

Tom states that makers of heating cables and substrates that focus on pore size (ADA's Power Sand) state that they will bring circulation into the substrate. This circulation brings in O2 and this will enhance root development. I disagree with this statement.

These products are trying to turn your substrate into a long-term nutrient storehouse for your plants. This is done by providing the right environment for the substrate ecosystem to develop. It is the substrate ecosystem that has a direct impact on the root/plant developement. Bringing O2 to the substrate is not the main objective.

The question that Tom should be asking (or, maybe he did and I just didn't get it) is whether these products assist in creating a better substrate. The answer is not clear but we can make some educated guesses.

Focusing on heating cables, I believe that there has been some discussion by experts in the field that looked at fluid dynamics and modeling to determine whether the cables would create the convection current we spoke of. The answer was "no." So, if we assume this is correct, then we can scratch heating cables as viable products, right?

Well, not necessarily. I would suggest to you that if you live in an environment where you use a heater in your aquarium, heating cables may bring around some benefit. There have been studies done (I don't have the reference handy) indicating that temperature also plays a role in the development of fine root hairs and overall nutrient uptake by aquatic macrophytes. If we could have the cables keep the temp of the substrate at a temp where root development and uptake are optimized, your plants should theoretically do better. How much better? I don't know. Is it enough to justify the added initial and maintenance cost of the cables? Probably not.

Cables came about because of failures Dupla experienced in their early days with one of their large aquariums in Germany. The found that the substrate was the limiting factor in plant growth after a while because it became anoxic thereby cause root rot. Their large aquarium was not sufficiently planted so that the plants themselves could not pump enough O2 into the substrate to keep it from dieing. So, they came up with cables under the theory that they would bring O2 rich water into the substrate therefore keeping it alive.

To be continued...
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Continuing from above...

In smaller aquariums that are properly planted, I don't feel that heating cables add enough of a benefit to be worthwhile and justify their cost. This is especially true in tropical environment where the aquarium temp never goes below 80+F.

Looking at products that add to the substrate such as PowerSand, I am of the opposite opinion. The benefit you should see over time justifies the expense. Let's get into why.

Using PowerSand as an example, it uses pumice stone to give the lower substrate more space for colonization by the microflora and fauna. It provides a home to those things that make the substrate ecosystem. Again, this is important for many reasons including recycling of nutrients.

Tom is right in saying that pumice stone can be "squished" by the weight of the water column over time. Apparantly, ADA agrees and offers three different size of pumice stone in order to compensate for the depth of the aquarium. This tends to prevent the squishing effect.

Moreover, if you look at PowerSand, you will find that the pumice is mostly uniform in size. This is to avoid the settling that Tom refers to. Of course, he is right if PowerSand used different sized pumice stones in every package. However, it doesn't.

Lastly, lets focus on the substrate pore size (area between substrate grains) aspect to PowerSand and it's mate, AquaSoil. Substrate pore size is important because you do want to have some exchange between the water column and the substrate solution. The chemical makeup of the two will be different and it's important that it is. However, without some exchange, the substrate would go anoxic and we would end up with the same problem Dupla had. Pore size contributes to this slow exchange. By having a larger pore size in the lower layers of the substrate with a smaller pore size in the higher levels, ADA's substrate succeeds in slowing down the exchange and allowing the substrate solution to become favorable for the development of the substrate ecosystem. The lower section does not become a plenum, as suggested by Tom, as there will be some oxygen there albeit in lower quantities than the water column.

Lastly, please understand I am using ADA products as examples because they have been well thought out. It is perfectly OK for you to make your own version. Heck, I did. I think I made a post on it somewhere in here. However, if you don't want to bother, just save up for it and buy it or something similar.

Conclusion:

Well, after writing a wall of text, what can I suggest to you?

Heating cables? Probably not but now you know why.

Substrate amendment like PowerSand? Probably, it will help your aquarium in the long run and now you know why.
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