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Old 07-12-2011, 04:56 PM  
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Now, if you can get over my sarcasm,and explain how is low light, tons of ferts, way high CO2 and big flow going to make the perfect manageable planted tank. It appears that Amano could have taken a completely wrong approach to whatever he does.
I'm not naysaying a new idea (FYI - In the US, we call those people "haters"). People have been growing plants in low tech aquariums since long before any of us were born. I'm asking why step backward instead of forward? We do need new ideas. Better canister filters, LED lighting, better ways to regulate CO2, lower touch way to add ferts. To me, this is the future of the hobby.

Better question - how would our perception of Amano be different had he stuck with low tech? Prior to his work (and many others) in pioneering what we consider modern methods of nutrient supplementation, aquascaping barely existed as we define it now. Keeping plants alive and fighting off algae seemed to be enough of a challenge up until the past 10-15 years.

Success can only be defined by a goal. If the goal is a beautiful display (loose APC standards - lush growth, no obvious deficiencies, minimal algae), I am of the opinion that skipping out on equipment often creates more issues than it solves. There's room for everyone on the spectrum, but saying low tech can be just as beautiful as high tech is an overstatement if we're speaking in generalities.

I understand the desire for simplicity as it's human nature. Our tolerance for the time and financial burden is cyclical, and eventually, we all look for ways to cut back on the imprint this hobby has on our lives. I just paid a boatload of money to have TPN+ shipped from the UK. Saves me all of 5 seconds, but everything in one bottle is so intrinsically appealing.



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Ernie, does "finding a handful of beautiful "low tech tanks doesn't speak to the other 99% which are... up for debate" mean that all high-tech tanks are up to the standards of Amano or Knott? On reflection, I think you will agree that the ratio of "beautiful" to "debatable" tanks is roughly the same for both high and low tech methods. Technology does not guarantee beauty.

Can a low tech display be beautiful? Sure. I also know that many photographers can snap great photos using any decade old point and shoot, but that doesn't mean I'm trading in the DSLR. For me, it still provides the most effective path to reach my goal.

There are no absolutes in subjective judging, but try this - Find 50 or 100 photos of your all time favorite planted aquariums. Take the list and then tally up the ones that you consider to be low tech. For me, there are only a few.

When you consider that there are exponentially more low tech tanks out there than high tech ones but very few which catch our attention, how can you estimate equal ratios of hot/not?
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:19 PM  
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Amano maybe an undercover low-tech:
https://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...-approach.html

Low tech tank more beatuful than most of our tanks adorned with super nice equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4uRV..._order&list=UL


As usual - we can type many pretty little letters but at the end we will agree that ADA has figured it out a long time ago. And I think I see that what they do is as low tech as possible. With a glamour shine given by approaches that enhance the same old low-tech basics. Using methods/equipment that we see as "high tech", readily acquire originals or copies, and use the wrong way most of the time.

Glad to see this here Ernie as an intelligent and knowledgeable individual with a lot of perspective on things. The second person I met today on that site that has a deeper understanding of this hobby. For me this was a good day here on APC.

I think we will all agree - it does feel that today we made another little step in this long journey. And there is more to come - this other guy I mentioned will hopefully come up with a very interesting article about things we intuitively started to figure out lately. Things are getting interesting indeed.

This topic is starting to veer away from the original idea to be a showcase of low-tech aquascapes and changing the view of low-tech tanks as messy. Maybe we better keep this topic as originally intended so things are in order.

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Old 07-26-2011, 11:45 AM  
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This topic is starting to veer away from the original idea to be a showcase of low-tech aquascapes and changing the view of low-tech tanks as messy. --Nikolay
In that case here is my re-scaped office picotope. It's still low-tech, but I added a nano-filter with little sponge things for future bio-housing. The reason for the rescape is that I dropped this tank on the floor while trying to move it to another desk and do my job at the same time...wooops...

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Mudboots, that picotope looked like so much fun, I had to try myself. You can read more at https://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...camarones.html Needless to say, this is a Walstad tank.
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This one was my second ever attempt at p[lanted tanks, and is also an example of Natural "method" using the El Natural to the fullest, with extremely limited water movement most of the time, and zero dosing of anything chemically, relying on the feedings to to the job. It took several months of green water and wondering why I ever set it up to begin with, but patience pad off once the system settled in, for after that this became a nearly zero-maintence, algae-free joy.

A moderate-to-heavy fish load with many other critters (worms, snails, whatever) helped each other to make it work. The tank started off weak, but came on strong once the plants got going. The substrate at 2 inch avg. depth proved almost too little for the nutrient hog lotus and swords, but kept them from out-competing the stem plants, which made the tank feel a bit more "scaped" to me. Overall my favorite tank as I had lots of options to play with, though I had to learn the hard way not to get carried away in moving plants around, and what lighting was too much vs not enough using T-5 HO.

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Here is my ADA MINI-M that I started on 1/4/2012. No co2, some trace every now and then but only fish food for ferts really. Lights are 13w cfl. Can anyone critique my scape? I tried hard to stick with the golden ratio. Stem plants are ready for a trim , which I am doing soon. Thx for looking.
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My latest low-tech* scape. Main plants are Anubias 'nana' and 'coffeefolia' with Amazon sword, Crypt. spiralis and C. retrospiralis and a foreground of S. repens. Lighting was 4 x 39watt t-5HO (1.25 WPG)
Is this 1 of the tank without a filter? If not got a link to 1 without a filter?
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This was a good read (besides people arguing)
Inspired me to do a low tech, NPT.
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Indeed, very interesting thread
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