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Old 01-25-2011, 10:28 AM   #201 (permalink)
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From transcript of a TPWD Regulations Committee Meeting May 26, 2010

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business...ee/index.phtml

"MR. CHILTON: We have checked with several other states. One of the states that I've checked with most has been California. California has developed their own risk analyses and the person I talked to in California is one of their leading botanists ‑‑ developed their risk analysis and he's very comfortable with this one. In fact, he endorses this one for the kind of analyses that we're doing. We've also been working with botanists out of Florida that is ‑‑ and she's been working also with the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center on this, as well. But, she's testing different risk analyses and was able to give us information about how accurate this risk analysis actually is and how accurate they anticipate it will be in the future.

MR. SMITH: Commissioner, there are very, very few states that have a white list process like what is being developed in Texas. I think Oregon and Hawaii, at least all or in part or have been,....."


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From the transcript of another meeting - TPWD Regulations Committee Meeting August 25, 2010

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/business...ee/index.phtml

"We had enlisted the aid of 30 staff, in both Coastal and Inland Fisheries to do these risk assessments. And based on some of my personal experience in talking to them, each assessment could take in the neighborhood of four to five hours.
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"After the January 1 date, if people want to do that, they will have to provide us with information on risk assessment of these species. Staff will review that information for accuracy, and completeness."
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"After substantial effort on staff's part here, we believe the new regulatory direction that we are taking here, will result in increased protection for the aquatic resources in Texas."
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"COMMISSIONER BIVINS: Ken, what is your comfort level on our ability to oversee all of this, as far as policing. I mean, it is great to put all of this in writing, and to have it all you know, as stated. But are we ‑‑ do we have the personnel? Do we have the ability to actually oversee this process?

MR. KURZAWSKI: It is going to be a learning experience for our wardens out there. And we are going to try and provide them with as much information as we can, to assist them.

You know, we do have ‑‑ they are out there doing this work now, looking for prohibited species, currently. And that is something that is ongoing, that we are just going to have to make sure we give them the information and help them through the implementation of the new regulations.

COMMISSIONER BIVINS: Okay. But you do feel reasonably comfortable that we can stay on top of it?

MR. KURZAWSKI: Yes. We are going to make our best effort to do that, certainly. "

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Old 01-25-2011, 11:38 AM   #202 (permalink)
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Default Re: TEXAS enacts white list - AGA forward

You cut off a very telling comment by Mr. Smith:

"MR. SMITH: Commissioner, there are very, very few states that have a white list process like what is being developed in Texas. I think Oregon and Hawaii, at least all or in part or have been, so there's a lot of attention and focus on Texas right now as we go through this and so your comments about making sure that we export and share whatever information we glean as part of this is, we absolutely will [My emphasis]. There's just a lot of national attention in this right now because it's so unique."

This is going to become an issue for more than just Texans, soon. The one possible bright side to that is that could result in alot more people doing risk assessments that could be of use in moving plants to an approved list.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:56 AM   #203 (permalink)
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Ekrindul, Thanks for posting that additional info.

I just finished researching restrictions in plants in Oregon and Hawaii. I read something about a white list in Hawaii for animals but could not find it. I found only a prohibited list of animals in Hawaii.

In both Hawaii and Oregon I found only a list of prohibited plants. I have sent emails to confirm what I found. In fact in Oregon there appears to be a list of invasive species - including aquatic plants - that are not prohibited in Oregon.

My guess is that Mr. Smith was punting in response to the question. Note that Mr. Smith is Executive Director of TPWD.

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Old 01-25-2011, 02:11 PM   #204 (permalink)
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How accurate is the weed risk assessment model being used by Texas?

"“Champion & Clayton (Chapter 16) have demonstrated that a predictive model constructed specifically to address invasions of aquatic ecosystems was by far superior in identifying and ranking weeds than the more general risk assessment model from which it was derived.”

Weed risk assessment By R. H. Groves, F. D. Panetta, J. G. Virtue

http://books.google.com/books?id=sSZ...page&q&f=false

So why is Texas using the original model not developed specifically for aquatic plants?

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Old 01-25-2011, 02:14 PM   #205 (permalink)
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/\--- because... um um they want texas tax dollars going to wait when it could go to other things, like the roads,highways, and schools..
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