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Old 06-30-2020, 04:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Bladder Snail's Shell Hanging High and Deteriorating

A few days ago I introduced some wild caught bladder snail species into my 5 gallon walstad tank. Recently I've noticed that my bladder snail's shell is hanging high from it's body and some of them is visibly deteriorating (pic attached). Are they okay?. Do you guys think it's because of lack of GH and KH in my water?
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Shells get soft when GH is low, but I can't imagine it would happen so quickly if it were a low GH and lack of calcium. I think it may be something else. Wild animals don't always adjust to tank conditions.

Calling all snail doctors!
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Shells get soft when GH is low, but I can't imagine it would happen so quickly if it were a low GH and lack of calcium. I think it may be something else. Wild animals don't always adjust to tank conditions.

Calling all snail doctors!
I think I'm mistaken Ms. Walstad. After more investigation, my snail is actually growing! When I look at it again the snails got noticeably larger and the transparent portion of the shell (which I thought was deterioration) is starting to become opaque. The line that you can see in photo number 3 is actually the old shell opening, and the transparent shell portion under those line is the new shell growth.
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When snails are happy (lots of food and no predators) they extend their bodies farther from the opening of the shell. Your snails look happy to me.
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When snails are happy (lots of food and no predators) they extend their bodies farther from the opening of the shell. Your snails look happy to me.
That's a fascinating little facts! Thanks for the info.
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I was going to ask if they are moving around and/or if there is a strong current in the tank. My snails, especially the ramshorn snails, will have their shells swaying in the breeze off in crazy directions compared to where their bodies are.

I thought I'd just note something I recently learned about de-chlorinators and my blackworms, which may also affect snails, if the amount is too high - I recently accidentally put the wrong amount (20x what I should have added!) of API tap water conditioner into my tank, which just has blackworms, snails and one shrimp in it. A BUNCH of the blackworms died instantly from whatever is in the dechlorinator. The snails were okay and so was the shrimp. And, not all of the blackworms died, just the ones that were right where I poured it in.

The snails and the shrimp feasted on the dead bodies, at least their deaths weren't in vain.

But, I wondered if there were ill effects from a tap water conditioner, in your case.

I'll also mention that my snails' shells also appeared to have problems at first, but they look amazing now in my hard water. So, mine also were just growing really quickly in my tank.

I wish API put the ingredients of whatever is in that dechlorinator on the bottle. But, I no longer use it at all in my two tanks, both of which have blackworms and snails in them. I just keep about 10 gallons of tap water sitting out so the chlorine can evaporate between water changes.

Anyway, for what it's worth, just be aware that some stuff that says it's safe for everybody in the tank - might not be. Granted, in my case I put 20 ml instead of 1 ml in my tank. Really dumb mistake - the directions said 1ml per 20 gallons, and my old timer's mind translated that into 1ml per gallon (as my tank is a 20 gallon tank). Still, there is something in that solution that is deadly to worms and they should mention that - even if it's only deadly if someone makes an error.
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Any product that is used at 20X the recommended dose could cause problems.

It sounds like you have sorted this problem out nicely. Remember folks, numbers count!!
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Any product that is used at 20X the recommended dose could cause problems.

It sounds like you have sorted this problem out nicely. Remember folks, numbers count!!
Of course, you're right.

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