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Old 10-17-2017, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default FIXING EVERYTHING!!! Fixing spree. Need Assistance with Co2 problem(s).

Alright so ill provide pictures along with the description of the issue.

Equipment list:
5lb Co2 canister, GLA regulator, GLA canister, Was a GLA package.
GLA inline diffuser.
NilocG Drop Checker, Drop Checker Fluid.
GLA Clear Co2 tubing.
Double Manifold regulator.

Problem Description:

I will Vividly describe this, as detailed as I possibly can, because I'm Dedicated to fixing this 65G tank within the next 3 months ready for planting.

The actual problem conclusion, not solution but the whole issue in a few words is, No Co2 Diffusion.

In my 65G aquarium I have 0% Co2 in the water, says the drop checker which is a cotton candy blue. So, that's my problem, 0% Co2 in the water.
According to GLA who didn't reply to my questions on This problem *eventually*, everything I'm doing is correct and I shouldn't be having this issue.
I think the problem is the inline diffuser because I had a big glass diffuser before and my drop checker was a nice lime green. I just go by the fish and the drop checker. But since I switched to the inline diffuser, I'm getting a blue drop checker...
Another thing that could be the problem inside the problem, is that there is roughly 6ft of tubing starting from the canister going and ending at the inline diffuser, but its all flat and straight no loopy lupe's or anything, and I have seen tubing longer than that on a tanks fixture!
Another thing!: is that when the co2 comes on, the bubble checker BLASTS bubbles out of the cone shaped hole, I MEAN IT BLASTS THEM! here is a pic mid blast:

Reason for that is because I have the valve all the way open so I can get "as much Co2" as I can into the tank! but I'm getting 0% Co2 in the tank!... Hope that adds up for you the reader, if not re-read it a few times...
So in preparation for the "finding out of this issue/problem" I took all the necessary precautions before making this post...
Changed out the drop checker fluid:

Above pic is before,
Below pic is mid change
Below the below pic is afterwards (1 hour after, still blue)



Also refilled the bubble counters (btw, the other drop checker to the right connects to my Fluval spec V diffuser and it works just fine, Drop checker in there is lime green.)





Co2 was refilled beginning of this month for the 2nd time since ive had these tanks up, wasn't even empty they said.

Here is the inline diffuser:


So I HOPE SO MUCH that someone can help me with this God awful frustrating issue.
Thanks much,
Nate

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Old 10-17-2017, 06:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is very common to have CO2 leaks, and it takes a very small leak to keep you from getting any into the tank. I suggest you start by mixing a dishwashing liquid soap/water mix, like you would for blowing bubbles, and soaking every single joint in the system from the regulator to the tank. Wait a few minutes and look for tiny little blobs of very small bubbles - a CO2 leak.

If that doesn't help I would dilute some of the drop checker solution with equal parts distilled water, to get 2 dKH water. That will turn green at 15 ppm and almost yellow at 25 ppm, making it easier to judge how much CO2 you are getting. Remember it takes 2 hours or more for the drop checker to get to the appropriate color.

Your "inline diffuser" picture shows the bubble counters, not diffusers!

Your regulator seems to be set at 40+ psi, which is higher than usually used, but I don't see how that causes any problems other than difficulty in setting the bubble rate.

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It is very common to have CO2 leaks, and it takes a very small leak to keep you from getting any into the tank. I suggest you start by mixing a dishwashing liquid soap/water mix, like you would for blowing bubbles, and soaking every single joint in the system from the regulator to the tank. Wait a few minutes and look for tiny little blogs of very small bubbles - a CO2 leak.

If that doesn't help I would dilute some of the drop checker solution with equal parts distilled water, to get 2 dKH water. That will turn green at 15 ppm and almost yellow at 25 ppm, making it easier to judge how much CO2 you are getting. Remember it takes 2 hours or more for the drop checker to get to the appropriate color.

Your "inline diffuser" picture shows the bubble counters, not diffusers!

Your regulator seems to be set at 40+ psi, which is higher than usually used, but I don't see how that causes any problems other than difficulty in setting the bubble rate.
Hey Hoppy!
Ill move the pressure to 35 PSI, would that sound acceptable?
As for the image, my apologies I copy and pasted the link incorrectly, should be fixed momentarily.
Its late at night here, so tomorrow morning first thing I will do is your Tire check suggestion. Pray its not a leak...
Thank you hoppy much for helping me along the way here! ill update you when I do that. And thanks for the additional info and suggestions.
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Some other points to think over are what might be making too much CO2 leave. We sometimes get so involved with getting it IN that we forget to check that we aren't just blowing it out almost as fast.
Got any place where there is a lot of splash that makes for losing CO2? Lots of waves that could be cut back?
Not likely to be the total problem but something to adjust that will help.
I like that soap solution to be really think so that it clings to things long enough to let the tiny bubbles grow so I can notice the change. Also don't forget to check some of the weird points like the glass on meters or screws on the back as a leak inside the meter can come out the backside where we don't think it can get.
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Turns out it was a leak.
Right under the 2 bubble counters, where it seems the washers where?
I contacted GLA asked them about it.
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Update:
GLA says its the oring under the bubble counter, they said "its the only thing it could be"
I sent them pics of the oring, didn't have any damage or debris, looked fine nothing odd or unordinary to me. looked like a metal washer...
So im going from there now. Still accepting conclusions, thoughts, and general advice.
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An O ring is a rubber ring, with a circular cross section. It doesn't look at all like a metal washer. Some applications use a metal washer behind the O ring, but that is not a seal, just a way to back up the O ring seal. I think I would visit a good hardware store and look for a real O ring that fits the "groove" for it, not tightly, but so the ring is compressed a little bit when installed. Without actually seeing where the seal goes it is hard to do more than guess about it.
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An O ring is a rubber ring, with a circular cross section. It doesn't look at all like a metal washer. Some applications use a metal washer behind the O ring, but that is not a seal, just a way to back up the O ring seal. I think I would visit a good hardware store and look for a real O ring that fits the "groove" for it, not tightly, but so the ring is compressed a little bit when installed. Without actually seeing where the seal goes it is hard to do more than guess about it.
hey hoppy,
sorry I was talking about the wrong thing in the last post
LOL Co2 nooby. Learned what the oring is!!
But it still isn't scuffy or has any marks, no damage at all... And that's not where the leak was even coming from, it was coming from under the bubble counter but they insist its the oring, sound right? or?...
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hey hoppy,
sorry I was talking about the wrong thing in the last post
LOL Co2 nooby. Learned what the oring is!!
But it still isn't scuffy or has any marks, no damage at all... And that's not where the leak was even coming from, it was coming from under the bubble counter but they insist its the oring, sound right? or?...
Since the purpose of an O ring is to act as a seal, a leak would probably be due to a bad O ring or improperly installed O ring. I haven't seen one of those bubble counters so I am really just guessing.
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Here are some pics hoppy, may be of use.

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