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Old 06-19-2006, 01:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Okay, first off I'm new to the forums and highly interested in establishing a planted aquarium. I've kept a 72 bowfront all-glass aquarium for 3 years and mostly housed large fish (gars, oscars, shovel-nosed catfish, large plecos) but these large fish require massive amounts of attention and food and are not the most attractive and active fish to be housing in an aquarium. Not to mention it takes no time for these fish (all around 6-8 inches or greater in size) to cause massive fouling of the tank, especially when fed all the gold fish they require.

Well anyways I'm going to give up my fish to a local pet store and begin to establish a more colorfull planted aquarium and have read many posts, articles, and literature on what is needed for a system.

Here is what I'm looking at to purchase:
* 1 sms 122 co2 automatic shutoff made by milwaukee
* 1 CO2 Regulator with needle valve, solenoid valve, and
bubble counter. Dual guage regulator displays output
pressure and bottle pressure. Standard American CO2
bottle connection. made by JBJ
* 1 Reactor 1000 co2 reactor Aqua Medic
* 1 5 lb. CO2 tank
* 4 Bags of Eco Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate 20
lb. (Unsure if this will be enough for my aquarium?)
* 1 Eheim 2026 Pro II Canister Filter
* 1 UV Sterilizer (needed or recommended?)

Now I know I need to do something about the stock lighting that came with my All-Glass Aquarium Inc Setup seeing how the lighthood houses a single 48" bulb but what should I purchase for this 72 gallon aquarium? I know I need to get around 2 WPG lighting but I have no idea if that can be done with his hood or if I have to buy another hood or what?

For this post I'm not going to get into what plantsetups I should get, fertilizers, and fish until I can establish an understanding of the equipment I need to get this going in my 72 gallon tank.

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Old 06-19-2006, 02:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I was curious for lighting if a Sunpaq Orbit Extreme 48" 1x130 Watt fixture would work or if the Orbit 48" 2x96 W would be the better bet?

Has anyone tried any of these sunpaq orbit fixtures before?
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List looks good so far. I'd look into getting the Eheim 2126 instead, it has integrated heating so no need for a heater in the tank...

As for the lighting, www.ahsupply.com provides great retrofit kits of all sizes. Give them a try. I haven't used them (220v here, though I heard they've started offering 220v setups for international customers) but have heard mainly very good things about them.

Aim for around 2.5wpg. If you can get a system that allows you to control some of the lights separately from the others, even better as then you have more flexibility in how you light your tank.
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Originally Posted by Epitome
72 bowfront all-glass aquarium

Here is what I'm looking at to purchase:
* 1 sms 122 co2 automatic shutoff made by milwaukee
* 1 CO2 Regulator with needle valve, solenoid valve, and
bubble counter. Dual guage regulator displays output
pressure and bottle pressure. Standard American CO2
bottle connection. made by JBJ
* 1 Reactor 1000 co2 reactor Aqua Medic
* 1 5 lb. CO2 tank
* 4 Bags of Eco Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate 20
lb. (Unsure if this will be enough for my aquarium?)
* 1 Eheim 2026 Pro II Canister Filter
* 1 UV Sterilizer (needed or recommended?)
Looks like you got a good list there. It's perfect. Only thing I might suggest changing (but not necessary) is:
*SMS 122 ph controller is unnessary, and I believe it's a luxury, and putting your regulator solenoid on a timer works just as well. pH swings aren't that devastating, or drastic.
*5lb CO2 cylinder is good, but if you can get your hands on a 10lb cyclinder that would be even better. Last longer, and less refills. A 5lb on a 72 gallon will probably last 5+ months at a decent rate, whereas a 10 lb will last at least a year.
*Substrate shoot for 2.5" -3" of depth. 6 Bags would do it, 7 bags will push you to 3" and give you room for rolling hills, high back low front, etc. You can also go with ADA aquasoil probably about 4-5 9l bags. Aquasoil can provide nutrients, lower pH and KH.
*UV sterilizer optional, but nice to clean up green water mess, and give the tank water an extra shine. But definately not necessary.
*Lights. I suggest Ahsupply.com and maybe 2x96w retro kits, or 4x55 watt kit. If this is going to be a high tech tank, (which it looks like from the list). you are shooting for a good 2.0-3.0 wpg. The 55watt kits will give you a better spread then 2x96 bulbs, but more light means you walk a fine line between algae problems, and fert dosing. You have to be on top of things with more light. Ahsupply lights are the best, and I highly recommend it. I'm never going to purchase a fixture again.
Laith made a great point about the integrated heater. I would do that also. Welcome to the forum!

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Build your own regulator (costs a bit more but higher quality) and reactor. And get a much bigger filter. Or make plans for other methods of water movement.
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If you are getting a Milwaukee SMS122, why not get a Milwaukee regulator instead of JBJ? It is 10 to 20 dollars cheaper, and more reliable in my opinion.

If your goal in having a pH controller is to automate the system and never touch it, then its a good idea.
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My opinion on what you have listed:

* 1 sms 122 co2 automatic shutoff made by milwaukee It's a good unit and I haven't had any trouble with mine at all. When used properly, controllers can be real assets to tanks. No worrying about bubble rate or running out of co2 later in the day (which was a problem for me before the upgrade). Get a good KH kit and you're good to go. Some people don't care for controllers but I love them.

* 1 CO2 Regulator with needle valve, solenoid valve, and
bubble counter. Dual guage regulator displays output
pressure and bottle pressure. Standard American CO2
bottle connection. made by JBJ


I believe that what Rex said regarding regulators is correct. I have a Milwaukee regulator and hate it. Things are humming along fine and suddenly the bubble rate drops. The regulator I pieced together myself has always been trouble-free.

* 1 Reactor 1000 co2 reactor Aqua Medic

Sounds ok, but you may be able to just run your co2 line into your Eheim like I do.

* 4 Bags of Eco Complete Planted Aquarium Substrate 20
lb. (Unsure if this will be enough for my aquarium?)


4 would be pushing it. 5 or 6 would be enough most likely. If you go with the controller, be sure that you go with a substrate that's pH neutral. Plain gravel is fine if you fertilize properly. Consider Soil Master too.

* 1 Eheim 2026 Pro II Canister Filter

Best filter ever made hands down. I'd probably go with a 2028 or, like Rex said, add a mechanism for more water movement if necessary.

* 1 UV Sterilizer (needed or recommended?)

Save your money for other stuff. They can be good to have around for things like green water and the like, but can have a devastating impact on iron in your tank. I had one running and was unable to get rid of the very pale coloration in my plants no matter how much iron I added. YMMV, but I don't think they're necessary.
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Ok, I took a couple peoples advice and have begun to collect some of these "pricey" pieces I need. Because of the cost involved to setuping up this tank the way I want it I'm essentially having to buy a piece here and there till I've collected it all.

First item I ordered was a canister filter. You guys where helpful in mentioning that the Ehein Pro II 2026 was not going to produce enough flow in my 72 gallon bowfront so I ordered the Eheim Pro II 2128 with built in heater. Don't know if these filters come with media because it didn't really say very clearly.

So my first question about this filter is what would be the best combination of filter media to use in this filter for a planted tank? Figured I can find out and make sure to order some of the materials needed to setup that up right.

Also I have not purchased any of the pressurized co2 system I listed yet but how do people pump the co2 from they system into the canister filter? Do they use some t-valve before the intake of the canister filter?

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In my Eheims I've used the following filter media for years, in both planted and more recently in African Cichlid tanks.

In the order of water flow (in Eheims the water flows from the bottom of the cannister up):

- Eheim's Ehfimech or any brand of ceramic "noodles". These provide great mechanical filtration for larger pieces of debris (as well as some biological filtration).

- Coarse blue sponge.

- Eheim's Substrat pro (or equivalent): purely biological filtration.

- The fine white filter pad.

Not sure what packaging sizes they come in in the US, but over here for the 2028/2128 you would need 2l of the Ehfimech and 4l of the Substrat pro.
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