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Old 07-24-2006, 09:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I just had an inspection in my shop, and I had to have an electricion come in and put in several new outlets. I also had to replace all the timers I had because they did not have a ground, a three prong plug outlet. The fire marshall did not say anything about GFCI outlets, plugs or circuits. How do they work, and what do they do exactly? I am more concerned about fire protection than anything else.
They can explain it better than I can.

GCFI

This the ACFI that may help with the fire issue.

ACFI

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Old 07-24-2006, 01:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I just had an inspection in my shop, and I had to have an electricion come in and put in several new outlets. I also had to replace all the timers I had because they did not have a ground, a three prong plug outlet. The fire marshall did not say anything about GFCI outlets, plugs or circuits. How do they work, and what do they do exactly? I am more concerned about fire protection than anything else.
Would this work? Here is the link again, I have one on each tank....DC

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...egory_Code=GFI

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Definitely a good idea to use these.

My problem is that all the GFCI outlets I can find around here do not automatically re-establish the circuit. And as far as I understand, a powercut will also trigger the GFCI. So if you get a powercut while you're away, the GFCI will cut the electricity to all your equipment and leave it that way even when the power comes back on.

So I'm still searching for GFCIs that can re-establish circuits automatically.

I have never had a GFCI trip due to a power loss. That is not the way they work here. I do use a UPS to run the pump, just in case there is an extended power failure. I think it is a good idea for Discus tanks...DC


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Not all GFCI units will trip when the power is interrupted. I have had them do so when lightning hit a power pole not too far away, shutting down the whole neighborhood. The surge ruined the GFCIs and I had to replace them. But, I have had lots of similar incidents which did nothing to the GFCI.

Several years ago, as I sat watching TV, I heard a zap! and saw smoke coming out of an electric outlet. The smoke got heavier and heavier, until I ran and tripped the circuit breaker. A wire had broken behind the outlet box, and was arcing, causing the smoke and charring some of the wood. If I had heard of a AFCI (?) at that time I sure would have installed them all over the house. Enough time has now passed that I am no longer worried about it. But, I should be.....
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Even if a powercut doesn't always trip a GFCI, the fact that it may do so sometimes is the issue for me. No, we rarely have powercuts here and when we do, they usually last just less than a minute (I assume until some type of backup path/system is activated). But that minute or two is enough.

Since nobody has mentioned it, it seems though that GFCIs that reset themselves don't exist?
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I have never had a GCFI trip with a power outage either and I have quite a few outages here (6.5 days two winters ago). Even battery backup wouldn't cover that one.
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Ok, sounds like I need to do more research here as my info seems incorrect!
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My problem is that all the GFCI outlets I can find around here do not automatically re-establish the circuit. And as far as I understand, a powercut will also trigger the GFCI. So if you get a powercut while you're away, the GFCI will cut the electricity to all your equipment and leave it that way even when the power comes back on.

So I'm still searching for GFCIs that can re-establish circuits automatically.
The Tower model yellow plug-in GFCI units Premium Aquatics sells automatically reset after a power failure, Laith. (I know because these are the model I use on my own tank, and I've tested them to be sure they operate that way.) So if you can't find an appropriate GFCI unit locally, order one online from Premium Aquatics! They're not expensive, even with the shipping costs - certainly less than a hospital stay or (gulp) a casket.

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Not all GFCI units will trip when the power is interrupted.
True. The problem is that most of the plug-in models sold in the big-box hardware stores DO trip and shut off the circuit when a power failure happens; you have to reset the GFCI unit manually to restore power to the circuit. They're designed that way because they are intended to be used with power tools. The last thing you'd want is for a dangerous power tool like a circular saw to unexpectedly "come back on" by itself after a sudden power interruption! Basically, any plug-in GFCI unit that says "meets OSHA workplace standards" on the box is not the sort you want to be using with your aquarium.

Plug-in units that do not kill the circuit following a power failure are harder to find, but they do exist. I think you can find them at Wal-Mart, and I know you can get them online at Premium Aquatics.

If you're not sure what type of GFCI your plug-in model is, just test it. Plug something into it, like a lamp, then go to your circuit breaker and kill the circuit to that room for a few seconds. Then turn the power back on and check - if the lamp's still lit, you've got the right GFCI plug for an aquarium. If the lamp's off, but comes back on when you push the reset button on the GFCI plug, you've got one of the models that kills the circuit when the power fails, and you might want to replace the unit if you spend much time away from your home.

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Definitely at the top of the to-do list when I get back.

I've heard of surge protectors, is this similar to an ACFI?

I remember finding an extension cord with a built-in GCFI and surge protector. I'll try to find it. Hopefully, if it automatically resets it should fit the bill.
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