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Old 09-07-2010, 05:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm thinking about getting CO2. Can someone tell me, does the equipment shown below constitute a reasonable deal?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CO2-Solenoid-Reg...#ht_4958wt_925

Does this have everything I need, apart from a tank and some method of diffusion? I was thinking of running the line into my filter intake. Is this a cheapo that might go bust on me?
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They do look nice but they are not made here they my not last long , The Azoo CO2 Regulator is a more common Regulator sold at some of the well know Web Site of Aquarium Supply's
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.co...95&pcatid=9895

That web page you post had a nice copy of a JBJ Bubble Counter that can be use with the Azoo Regulator
http://cgi.ebay.com/Aquarium-CO2-CHE...item3f02efebce

Ever thought of just building one all to together? Lot's of info here or just ask everyone be glade to help.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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They do look nice but they are not made here they my not last long , The Azoo CO2 Regulator is a more common Regulator sold at some of the well know Web Site of Aquarium Supplies
http://www.fosterandsmithaquatics.co...95&pcatid=9895

That web page you post had a nice copy of a JBJ Bubble Counter that can be use with the Azoo Regulator
http://cgi.ebay.com/Aquarium-CO2-CHE...item3f02efebce

Ever thought of just building one all to together? Lot's of info here or just ask everyone be glade to help.
I've looked around the forum, but I haven't found a definitive description of all the parts and what they do. That's what appealed to me about the package deal.
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Default Re: New to CO2

you could buy a milwaukee regulator/solenoid/bubble counter setup cheaper than that

you just have to look around the interwebs for it

i got mine for $85 shipped

but I wouldnt trust buying something like that from Taiwan - you dont KNOW the threadings are correct
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I still don't know what I need. A solenoid is for switching the thing on and off, correct? Not everyone does that, I believe.

And the needle valve... is that part of the regulator? A needle valve dials down the pressure a second time, right? From explosive pressure to working pressure to drip pressure (my terminology). Also, there's always two dials. What do they mean? What I'd like is to find a page somewhere that describes the whole thing to a dummy like me.
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Milwaukee is a good cheap start, but you'd want to swap out the needle valve for a high quality one, it is not stable, pressure changes every few days.
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I still don't know what I need. A solenoid is for switching the thing on and off, correct? Not everyone does that, I believe.

And the needle valve... is that part of the regulator? A needle valve dials down the pressure a second time, right? From explosive pressure to working pressure to drip pressure (my terminology). Also, there's always two dials. What do they mean? What I'd like is to find a page somewhere that describes the whole thing to a dummy like me.
Regulator (Very rough delivery pressure) --->
Solenoid (has a plug you connect to a timer and therefore can turn off CO2 delivery at night) --->
Needle Valve (Heavily refines delivery pressure) --->
Bubble Counter (If you don't know what this does, I'd give up here )

The dial on the left shows you how much pressure is going from the CO2 tank to the regulator. The dial on the right shows you how much pressure is going from the regulator on.

CO2 For Dummies (courtesy of Darkblade48 ): http://www.barrreport.com/showthread...ressurized-CO2
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Hi Gramazing,

Actually when we deal with CO2 we deal with two aspects, pressure and rate of flow.

The pressure regulator deals with the pressure only. It takes the roughly 800 PSI pressure that is in the CO2 cylinder and drops it down to a much lower and safer level......typically 20 - 25 PSI. A good pressure regulator will have two gauges, the high pressure gauge shows the cylinder pressure (800 PSI when full) and an output pressure gauge (20 - 25 PSI). The output pressure of the regulator should be adjustable.
BEWARE! There are some regulators out there that are not "pressure regulators" but are "flow regulators". They are not recommended because they do not drop the CO2 pressure down to a safe level.

The solenoid is typically installed immediately after the regulator. It turns the flow of the 20 PSI CO2 on and off. It can be controlled either manually, with a timer, or with a pH controller/probe. Not a required component, I run my CO2 24/7.

Next comes a manifold. It is used if you are going to split the CO2 to go to multiple tanks. I do use this, I feed my CO2 to two aquariums.

After the solenoid and/or manifold comes the needle valve. It adjusts the flow of CO2, not the pressure. It is the component that allows us to adjust the bubbles per second and determines the amount of CO2 we put into our aquariums. Spend a couple of extra dollars on this and get a quality one, you will be glad you did.

After the needle valve comes a bubble counter, if you use one. It is not necessary, I just put my tubing in the water and count.

Lastly comes a check valve, brass is strongly recommended because CO2 can damage some plastics. This component prevents water from flowing from the aquarium into the CO2 components if the cylinder becomes empty or when I have removed the cylinder to get it refilled. Definitely a necessity.

Hope this helps!

BTW, I do not like the regulator you linked to on Ebay, it does not say "pressure regulator" so I am guessing it is a flow regulator which is further confirmed by the arrow indicating a component after the regulator is designed to "bears the high pressure", it does not appear to be adjustable, and it is copper components, you want brass components....not copper!
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"Bump", I updated some information on the Ebay unit.
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Thanks guy or all that info. The clouds of ignorance are slowly starting to dissipate from the troposphere of my brain. I do not want to get that one on Ebay.
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