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Old 07-02-2011, 10:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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ADG is selling those for $58 bucks ; P Cheaper than ADA!
Precisely. Which lends me to believe they're only charging as much as we're willing to pay. We cheap americans and our relatively cheap living costs compared to the expenses in japan probably wouldn't be willing to pay as much for what can be considered a luxury item as the japanese are. Also, I'm kinda curious because when I say pyrex I think of that unbreakable stuff... But I was just talking to a mate and she said pyrex was the same as bs glass. Hmmm.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:19 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Because Pill, if I ever put my canister filter on the market I can't sell it for a lot of money. As simple as that.

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If you care - read my posts more carefully. What you saw in them is a product of your imagination. So far you present great arguments. But the second you think I'm writing this now to lie and avoid confrontation you will instantly qualify as "stupid". In my posts there was not a drop of anymosity. And there isn't any now either.

Trust me - if I meant to insult you I'd have done it very clearly. If this thread gets locked it will be because of what you nonchalantly wrote above. It means nothing to me but them APC moderators are not gonna like it.

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Old 07-02-2011, 10:23 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Precisely. Which lends me to believe they're only charging as much as we're willing to pay. We cheap americans and our relatively cheap living costs compared to the expenses in japan probably wouldn't be willing to pay as much for what can be considered a luxury item as the japanese are. Also, I'm kinda curious because when I say pyrex I think of that unbreakable stuff... But I was just talking to a mate and she said pyrex was the same as bs glass. Hmmm.

yes pyrex lab glassware is borosiliate glass.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Niko is not being racist, lets not open up that can of worms.


So Niko, you never really answered my question. If you are also making a knock-off, why are you putting this one down? If yours is a stainless steel filter, how is it any different than this one other than being cheaper?


I don't see why you dislike stainless steel knock offs so much when you are about to be selling your own knock off stainless steel filter?

Is it that you think they are overcharging for a knock off and it should be cheaper?


About the glassware.. I went to the Pyrex website and a lot of the stuff there implies that Pyrex used to be borosilicate but is now soda-lime glass which is supposed to be stronger. Maybe some things are soda-lime and some are borosilicate.

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Old 07-02-2011, 10:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Pill,

I have no issue with saying that my filter is "everything that ADA's filter is". Because I mean performance.

As far as looks are concerned I'm not going for an ADA look alike. You can't say that about certain descendants of the Barber of Seville, Spain.


How my filter differs from ADA/Eheim:
- No red O-ring
- No clips to close the lid
- No matching overall look (size, proportions, colors)
- No stainless steel
- No semi transparent canister
- Lid will not look like ADA's plate
- 2 pipes on top of lid
- Both hose connections incorporated in lid

Similarities:
- Watertight container
- Outflow pipe on top of lid

I'd have avoided those too but then it will not be a canister filter at all. That's the simplest and most functional design.

Here's the funny part:
ADA copied Eheim. The 2 filters look alike. Mine will look remotely like... whose filter?

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Old 07-02-2011, 10:44 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Because Pill, if I ever put my canister filter on the market I can't sell it for a lot of money. As simple as that.

Asian Kid, about me being racist:
If you care - read my posts more carefully. What you saw in them is a product of your imagination. So far you present great arguments. But the second you think I'm writing this now to lie and avoid confrontation you will instantly qualify as "stupid". In my posts there was not a drop of anymosity. And there isn't any now either.

Trust me - if I meant to insult you I'd have done it very clearly. If this thread gets locked it will be because of what you nonchalantly wrote above. It means nothing to me but them APC moderators are not gonna like it.

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I realized I was being melodramatic and apologized. The first comment seemed to imply that we as asians are taking over manufacturing and purposefully pump out lower grade stuff. After rereading it 5+ times I realized I was at fault.

Now as to why knock offs are bad I guess we both hold our own reservations. I personally like ADA tanks, they're noticeably (though barely) higher quality than other rimless brands. But their equipment on the other hand is just wildly priced.
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Old 07-02-2011, 10:49 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Pill,

I said it already. We are discussing Japanese culture and tradition. I firmly believe that if you buy an ADA canister you are not getting ripped off.

Yes, the thing is crazy expensive.
Yes, it is a metal bucket like these small size bathroom trash cans, stanless steel, $30 at the Container Store.
Yes, ADA copied Eheim.
Yes, I don't believe they have a precise calculation that matches exactly SuperJet Whatever with certain tanks
Yes, the ADA filters seem to barely move water

But what you are buying is the confidence that every little detail is as perfect as it can be made to be. And that the entire system will not only work well if you understand its basic principles but will also look like a million bucks every second of it.

In a way we are talking about putting a value on trust. Paying more for something you believe was made well. Belief, trust, perception... We are used to be tricked a little too often. And here comes the Spanish gang ready to make a buck out of of all this. And we jump all over the cheap prices. That's how I see it.


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Old 07-02-2011, 10:54 AM   #28 (permalink)
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As long as you admitted the above, I am happy. I agree with you on all counts.

And do you know what? I want a Superjet. I really do, despite the low flow and high price. Once day I WILL have one. But in the mean time it would be nice to have a knock off that looks similar but is cheaper.
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I'm pretty confident that any company that's popular and capable of turning a profit when up against austere competition such as the name of ADA has the capability to put out decent merchandise. I mean, it's just the metal can too. Not even the pump on which you can splurge on. If it's water tight it's functional in this case.

Oh well. And who knows. This might not even be a knock off. We don't even of pictures or specs on it. I mean a modular canister is already a good idea.
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Old 07-02-2011, 11:10 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Here, in this thread, I attack the rip off company.

And here I approve and inspire:
https://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...tml#post597277

You got to admit on a picture the equipment does look very good. As good as ADA that is.

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