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Old 07-01-2011, 04:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

I ran across this website: http://www.naturalaquario.com

and they have a stainless steel canister filter listed for 149 euro. There is no picture, so I e-mailed them. They said it is not released for sale yet and is still in development.

They did tell me that it is being produced in stainless steel, will have a large capacity, and you must provide your own pump (which is actually a good thing IMO because you can choose your desired flow.)

I asked when it might be available for sale and if you can buy one if you are in the U.S. Waiting for a reply.

This is the page with the filter but no pic yet.

http://www.naturalaquario.com/?p=148

This is a third of the cost of the ADA filter, although that doesn't account for shipping from Europe to the US (if they will ship that is) and no pump is included. Even if you spend $100 on a nice pump, that's still a great savings.

I just thought I would pass this along. A company called CADE also makes stainless steel canisters and I e-mailed them but they never replied. I guess because they don't speak English, but Natural Aquario reps do!
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

I heard these ADA clones are popping up. In one of ADA's advertisements, they footnoted why they changed their logo and packaging in order to steer away from look-a-likes. I see they have their own glass lily pipes and everything.
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yeah, I know it is a knock-off (at what point does a knock off become a competitor anyway) but if you want a stainless steel filter this looks a lot cheaper! I hope it comes out soon. A stainless steel filter is one of the things on my bucket list.
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Those look really nice but I doubt they're gonna be shipping them to the US anytime soon.
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Old 07-02-2011, 05:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Great find.

There is a distributor here in Spain.
I will send them a message and ask them to let me know when they get them in.

If you think about it though.
ES 600 (36cm) is $549 plus shipping.

This is 149EUR ($216 give or take) plus say around $100 for shipping,
$316 for the filter alone, then you still have to get a pump.

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Old 07-02-2011, 05:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Do not know if these are any good but

http://www.amazon.com/Marineland-C-3...N%3DB000NRTLVY

http://www.amazon.com/Marineland-C-1...N%3DB000NRXB6A
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First off I really, REALLY dislike the idea of copying ADA's product style. Any copying for profit sends one single message: "We are stupid and can't come up with anything new. We are also low class so we will steal any idea we can."

I looked around that web site and I see one single thing - EVERYTHING is a copy of ADA. It is not a "knock off" it's a "rip off".

This is a free world. And you can get as low as you want. You are free to make a spectacle of yourself any time you want.

"Large" volume of the canister sounds very nice. I can't see the image on the link. If for the equivalent of $200 you get like 3-4 gallons of filter volume I can do only one thing - laugh. That is NOT large. But it's "stainless", meaing it's "cool". Because Amano made it cool... And to add a pump that is like the high quality ADA pump you will spend about $200. Plus money for hoses, clamps, valves...

And if you have to attach your own pump I imagine the ugly clamps, hoses, valves that you will will come up with. ADA pays extreme attention to every single detail on their products. Even the black rubber elbow that connects the pump to the canister is made of special materials. Don't confuse a real Bugatti Veyron with one made of cardboard and two $1 spraypaint cans from Wal-Mart.

Real:


Cardboard:


Spray paint:



A "knock off". Nice!:


Hope someone finds a way to convince me I'm wrong about all of this. Because it's low class and I don't like things like that associated with this hobby.

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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

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First off I really, REALLY dislike the idea of copying ADA's product style. Any copying for profit sends one single message: "We are stupid and can't come up with anything new. We are also low class so we will steal any idea we can."

I looked around that web site and I see one single thing - EVERYTHING is a copy of ADA. It is not a "knock off" it's a "rip off".

This is a free world. And you can get as low as you want. You are free to make a spectacle of yourself any time you want.

"Large" volume of the canister sounds very nice. I can't see the image on the link. If for the equivalent of $200 you get like 3-4 gallons of filter volume I can do only one thing - laugh. That is NOT large. But it's "stainless", meaing it's "cool". Because Amano made it cool... And to add a pump that is like the high quality ADA pump you will spend about $200. Plus money for hoses, clamps, valves...

And if you have to attach your own pump I imagine the ugly clamps, hoses, valves that you will will come up with. ADA pays extreme attention to every single detail on their products. Even the black rubber elbow that connects the pump to the canister is made of special materials. Don't confuse a real Bugatti Veyron with one made of cardboard and two $1 spraypaint cans from Wal-Mart.

Real:


A "knock off":


Hope someone finds a way to convince me I'm wrong about all of this. Because it's low class and I don't like things like that associated with this hobby.

--Nikolay
When you're charging maybe 2-3 times the actual value of an item it becomes pretty difficult to not justify others copying their style. What I'm still confused about is why they're still charging so much for what's essentially a pressure cooker with piping in it. Steel made containers should be a lot cheaper than the integrated motor head and pressed plastic filters we have.

And then with that in mind you realize that what ADA is doing by over charging isn't helping but making things worse for the hobbyist. They overcharge their products and then other manufacturers see the opportunity to remake their items for slightly less which limits innovation overall. AND THEN on top of that there shouldn't really be any complaints. Every hobby has their knock offs: knock off stereo systems, knock off power tools, knock off movies etc. I'm not saying ADA doesn't make higher quality stuff than the knock off folks. But the fact that the knock off stuff is A. About a half to a sixth of the price of the originals and only barely missing in quality implies that ADA is really grossly over charging us.

Anyways, I'm all on board with the steel canister filter idea but definitely not going to pay 216 dollars for a 10 dollar steel can and a maybe 20 dollar lid. In fact half the glass equipment we use can be made by a lab glass blower on a college campus. If you're still in college just go up to him, offer him like 10-20 bucks and he'll make it for you in a day.
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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

A pressure cooker with piping in it that no American company has found a way to replicate. Or maybe they are careful to not appear low class copying something. So we have a plethora of ugly looking equipment available to us. Cheap. We love "cheap", right? Not really if you look closely at what you are getting.

Example:
- Fluval FXwhatever. "Largest" and "nicest" canister filter you can buy. About $300. Plastic, thick ugly hoses, volume good for a 55 gallon tank. Large flow from a non-pressure rated pump encased in plastic.
- ADA's largest filter - someone here said $550. Every little detail has been chosen carefully for performance, materials, durability, and looks.

How you can save $109 (so you invest them to grow to $1M one day):

Spanish stainless steel bucket: $200
Pressure rated pump (Iwaki, what ADA uses): $200.
Hoses, clamps, valves: $40
Time to buy and put everyting together so it performs for eternity: $1.00
--------------------------------------------
Total: $441
ADA filter: $550

This discussion is pointless. Fake is fake. That's all there is to it.
This discussion could have one single positive outcome - for all of us to agree that not everything that is shiny and yellow is gold. Forgive me folk, but I doubt we will agree.



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Default Re: There is another brand of stainless steel canister filter coming out soon!

Niko, You said ADA's largest filter was $550. For someone who likes the Superjet so much, you should know that the SMALLEST filter is $550. The medium size ES-1200 is over ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS... I don't know what the largest filter costs. Likely two grand.




Maybe you will give me a couple hundred bucks to make up the difference in price between the stainless steel knock-off and the superjet? You must have plenty of money to not understand why someone would be remotely interested in a knock-off stainless steel filter. But then if you did give me enough money to make up the difference, the pump will still only push a wimpy 100 GPh (actually less) so... At least this knock-off filter lets you choose your own pump.

Niko, no one was debating anything until you came along. This is not a thread for a debate. I never said the knock-off was as high quality as the superjet. I never said it was as good. The purpose of this thread was merely to let people know that there will soon be another option available.


I do not think ADA is overcharging for their filter... at least the ES-600. I think it really is worth $600 (especially when you consider it comes with lily pipes) but the point is that not everyone can afford the highest quality filter (although the flow is a joke...) and this would be a good option for someone like me who just wants something nice, but not the nicest.

Niko, while not everyone can afford a Bugatti veyron... but some people can afford a BMW and while not as nice, it's still pretty nice. Your argument of a cardboard Bugatti is not accurate. A stainless steel filter that's 149 euro before tax and pump, etc. is not low class. If anything it's middle class. A Rena XP proudly displayed as a superjet would be is low class. Don't confuse the two.

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