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Old 01-12-2006, 06:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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should i use carbon in a planted tank?
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Old 01-12-2006, 06:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I suggest that you try using the search feature on this forum. Lots of info there about this topic
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No, I would not use carbon in an planted aquarium. The carbon takes out the Nutrients that the plants need.
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IMHO Carbon is very beneficial during the first few weeks of setup until the biofilter gets established. The carbon will help absorb excess nh3 and other water products that lead to algae. After a few weeks you should remove the carbon because it will absorb some ferts that the plants need. Amano uses carbon in the first phases of his setups and filter manufacturers like Eheim, who's filters rely heavily on biological filteration recommend carbon for the first few weeks.

I believe carbon is even more important if you haven't seeded the biofilter from an established tank or plant very heavily from the start.
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Not for the long term, only to remove medications or in the first few weeks of setup. Carbon will remove nutrients from the water that the plants feed on, how much that is removed by the carbon is debatable.



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I'm so tired of seeing the same questions over and over and over and over again.

What is the point of archiving topics and their discussions if we're going to continue to allow them to be repeated. This'll just added to the pile, burying everything that came before it and making it all the more difficult for those people who actually research things to find what they are looking for.

We should MAKE people use the search by refusing to answer these kinds of questions. When something like this is posted, it should get one response..."Search".

And most importantly, after that response is given, no one should come behind and undermine everything by answering it anyway.

I'm sorry. But I don't think many of you can honestly say you haven't felt this same way before. I'm just saying what everyone else is thinking. Instead of letting it bother us till the end of time, we should resolve ourselves to take control of the problem.

And BTW, stephen, I'm not upset with you in any way. There's nothing wrong with asking questions here. I just feel that we often steer people in the wrong direction: towards getting simple answers and away from learning how to empower themselves with the ability to glean from all the knowledge that is already out there. It's a disservice to you.

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should i use carbon in a planted tank?
I'm sorry I have a 55 gallon heavy planted, I use carbon. Yes it does filter out some of the nutrients that plants use. BUT you can supplement with your ferts and replace cert nutrients with reg WC. I have noticed a diffrence in my fish when there is no carbon. I think your use of carbon depends on you tank set up, fish load, ferts and ect... So you have to go with what works for you. Just my advice.
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Random Alias.

if things are changing all the time and new discoveries are being made, how do you suppose people will then benefit from only old infomation?

It is possible that each time a question is asked, an updated answer may be available. If people are never allowed to offer their ideas the world will never change. But then some people do prefer the horse and cart to carry their steel framed aquarium.

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No one here did anything for stephen that the search wouldn't have done for him. Now, think about how many people have read through this thinking there might be something new or useful?

Of course if there is something new to add then people will add it, along with suggestions to search. If there is nothing new to add, then the recommendation to search and suggested search terms would be all that would be added to the post, not regurgitated information that has not changed.

To my knowledge, there have been no recent breakthroughs or changes in how carbon attracts and holds nutrients. If you do a search on this topic, you are likely to find other posts with the same exact information in them as this one. If nothing new can be added, then the reply should be to search with maybe some helpful term hints.

I'm all for disseminating new information. It's the redundant stuff that I'd like to see nipped in the bud. There's so much repetitious stuff archived that it's hard to find out if anything has changed or not, what with all the carbon-copy threads that you have to wade through.

Wouldn't it be nice if you searched for something and found one good, informative thread on it, could get your answers, and not have to worry about reading through the 10 other threads to see if anything had changed. How nice would it be to know that if there were 2 threads on a topic, one had the previous information and the second thread HAD to have updated info and that you wouldn't end up wasting your time with an information overload?

Look at the topics on lighting siestas. Those answers are not changing for people but they still ask rather than take the time to search. So, by saving themselves a little time by not searching, they are adding the burden on all the other thousands of users everyday to look through long lists of repetitive threads, and if those threads have several posts we then think we may need to read them anyway because something new has been discovered, otherwise why would so many people be responding? But that is seldom the case.

It just doesn't make sense is all and it wastes a lot of people's time to save a few lazy people a fraction of time and we indulge them and promote it.

IMO, if someone knows about the search but will not use it, then they are probably not the kind of person that can be very successful in this hobby, which requires patience and dedicated work. I wonder what the difference is between this and someone asking you to come clean their tank for them. Just because this is an easier request to indulge doesn't mean it should be acceptable.

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If these forums are not full of random and sometimes repeated questions i wonder what would be here. As you pointed out nothing much in the hobby is changing, or carbon in your example. If this is the case what are we going to discuss?
If we are honest with ourselves and go through all the topics and pages then we will find every subject is a repeated one. Everything has been said at one time or another.
Im even betting 2 people on the earth have had this exact conversation before.

Forums are here for discussing topics, if we all do a google search rather than discuss the topics over and over here, then i guess we would not need the forums anymore.

Just my 2 cents

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