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Old 12-16-2003, 01:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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You can check out my tank pics Here...

I have a problem.. well.. a problem of sorts.

The Red Wedntii which I have in the back of the tank to the left. It was in sad shape when I put it in there.

I added jobes spikes around it's roots on top of the normal CO2 and fertlizers. Which caused it to well spring to life. Now it's to the top of that 100 gallon (the pic is about 3 weeks old) and leaves spreading along the sirface to create shade. I am reluctant to trim it's leaves because of all the problems I had getting it to set in and grow well...

How does one control a crypt gone mad?!?!?

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You can check out my tank pics Here...

I have a problem.. well.. a problem of sorts.

The Red Wedntii which I have in the back of the tank to the left. It was in sad shape when I put it in there.

I added jobes spikes around it's roots on top of the normal CO2 and fertlizers. Which caused it to well spring to life. Now it's to the top of that 100 gallon (the pic is about 3 weeks old) and leaves spreading along the sirface to create shade. I am reluctant to trim it's leaves because of all the problems I had getting it to set in and grow well...

How does one control a crypt gone mad?!?!?

Check out my tank pic in the Gallery
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Old 12-16-2003, 07:53 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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My personal experience with Crypts are they are slow to start, but once established, they grow rather quickly. That being said, the next thing is the amount of light they receive and the quality of the substrate.

I had a 75gal tank with potting soil and Flourite as the substrate and 4 40w T12 bulbs for lighting. Water was tap, hard in the low to mid 7's, GH was around 9-11 degrees and the KH was around 12-14 degrees. The Wendtii grew very nicely...tall and full, spreading moderately.

In a 55gal tank, I had the same Crypts, but the only difference was the lighting. I used 4 T8 overdriven bulbs...much more intensity. The water was RO/DI, with around 7pH while GH and KH were no more than a few degrees above 0. The Crypts grew much more compact with shorter leaves and a redder color.

Obviously, the Crypts did not have to reach for the light since the intensity was much more in the 55gal.

This is about the only way that I know of to change the growing habits of the Crypts. Of course your ferts and CO2 will play a part, but I belive the lighting is the main thing.

Be aware, that your other plants will grow differently as well under different lighting conditions.

All kind of obvious when you think about it.

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Old 12-16-2003, 08:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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There really isn't any way of controlling it. If you cut the leaves off, you are starting all over and have to wait for the plant to recover again. The color looks real nice, be happy!

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with those t8 bulbs..which ones did you use...and then what was the original watts vs. the overdriven watts?
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I happen to think that they look very nice, It looks like a biggining of a crypt forest!

My goal is a sea of green.
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Old 12-16-2003, 10:03 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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Oh, I am very happy with that tank. Asides from a small red algae outbreak at one point.

As for the lighting, it's currently at 3wpg, and the substrate is about 75% flourite/25% mixed gravel.

As I mentioned the real kick starter seemed to be a while back when I broke up some jobes sticks and put around the roots.

My mad scientist project for after the first will be to finish setting up the "back room" of my house. The previous owners built a dark room, which is a perfect narrow room with countertops on either side and a sink. In my world, that spells somewhere for 7 of the 30 gal oceanic tanks I have sitting around (LFS went out of business and got them for a song).

Then to set up CO2 to all of them and do plant species tanks.

Hold on while I cackle like a mad scientist and once again say a silent prayer of thanks for a very understanding girlfriend.

Wait.. I'm rambling again. heh

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Old 12-18-2003, 10:59 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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Algae Grower-

I have Frankenstein'd many more light projects since then, but I believe the set up was:

55gal
4 T8 32w (128w) Philips bulbs
8 T8 sockets
100' of 16(?) gauge wire
REL-4P32-SC
1 3-prong pig tail

Overdriven using:
4 REL-4P32-SC (1 unit per bulb, all leads to 1 bulb)
Estimated 340w total

T8 puts out more intense light so the wattage thing doesn't mean the same as with T12.

As far as I know, you would think that if you had one ballast unit per bulb, you would get 128w per bulb totaling 512w with four bulbs...not the case. Though I do not have any measuring equipment, I figure 2/3's the total wattage.

Never the less, overdriving DOES work and it is a much cheaper way of getting intense light to your plants.

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hi keith, wow, so you overdrive it 4x??!?! i'm scared to do that as i have no prior experience...I'm thinking about going 2x.....

what I'm planning on doing is taking my old shoplight fixtures...so i have a foundation to work on....then taking out their cheap ballast and replacing it with a new ballast and overdriving 2x like i mentioned before..what do you think about my plan?? any suggestions or comments?
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It will work, but I do not think you will get the results you are looking for.

The first problem is shop light units. they are not sealed, so moisture will collect inside of the unit. It is also not a good idea to have the ballast(s) sitting in a "wet" enviroment either. Shop lights are generally hung in a dry enviroment with air circulation around them. Styicking them in a closed canoppy in tight quarters above heated water will most certainly create issues you would rather not deal with...including rust.

Frankenstein 'em! Tear them up and take the parts that you need. Use the reflectors...they probably have cut outs on the ends for the bulb sockets. Mark where the sockets fit in the spectrum of things on the hood and set your fat head stainless steel screws. Wire the sockets and run the wire down the back to the stand. Use plastic sinch ties to gather the wires. Mount your ballasts underneath in the stand/cabinet so they are not on the bottom in case of any water collecting down there from spillage or what have you. Wire nut them up and do the same with your AC plug pig tail.

By the way, get yourself "instant start" ballasts and throw them on a timer. If you do not have instant start ballasts, you will kill anything else in no time from electrical surge.

4x overdriving is not a big deal. Start in increments, 2x then 3x then 4x.

Good luck

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