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Old 03-13-2005, 11:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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From everything I know glosso only gets leggy if it doesn't get enough light. 130 wats of pc bulbs should be plenty! What the heck could be causing it?

Can you give me the specs on your tank? Maybe something you could tell me about your setup could help. Any ideas or advice would be welcome.


Mod's note...This was split from the orginal thread of Removing Center Brace found in the DIY Section as the topic was completely changed.

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Old 03-13-2005, 02:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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glosso doesnt only grow upward if its not getting enough light. It has to be trained down also. What about a substrate thats not nutrient rich enough for it to root far enough down. Also, its a nitrate lover, feed it well.
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Do you inject C02?

What ferts are you using?

What are your water parameters?



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Old 03-13-2005, 07:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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28g bowfront tank 18" tall
79 degrees
7.8 degrees GH
2.5 degrees KH
6.5 PH
30-40 ppm Nitrates
24ppm CO2
Coralife 2x65 watt 6700k bulbs for 10 hours a day.


Flourite substrate mixed with fine gravel in the front and Flourish tabs under the gravel in the front as well.

I dose 5-7 ppm of nitrates a day and about 5ml of flourish 2 days on 1 day off. About twice a week I'll put in 5ppm of Potassium sulfate and a ml or so of Kent phosphate.

The substrate was vacuumed pretty thoroughly when I redid the tank almost 2 months ago. So I know it doesn't have a ton of organic matter in it.

I'm going to be patient with it the way the tank is and see where it goes.

Plants:
Ranalisma rostrata
Glossostigma elatinoides
Ludwigia sp. "Cuba"
Lobelia cardinalis, "small form"
Blyxa Japonica
Ludwigia repens
Rotala indica
Rotala indica "green"
Cryptocoryne lutea
Cryptocoryne wendtii "bronze"
Hygrophila corymbosa "compacta"
Micranthemum. micranthemoides
Micranthemum umbrosum
Marsilea crenata or Marsilea quadrifolia
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I'm not familiar with Kent Phosphate but it seems like 1ml of this per week isn't very much. Maybe the glosso is looking for more PO4. Additional PO4 should increase the uptake of NO3 in your tank.
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OK I'll give that a shot starting tonight. Thanks. I'll post again with the results.
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Well since I've increased my phosphate levels by almost 4 fold I've noticed a few things... (1-2 ml a day vs. 1ml or less every 2 days)

Rotala Indica "green" - a few stalks have bent over horizontally about 6 inches below the surface.

M. Umbrosum - new leaves are double the size and it's growing much faster. The same has happened with M. Micranthemoides

Glosso - new leaves are smaller although it's too early to tell whether it will creep like I want it to.

Marisela is starting to take off too. The runners are staying at the surface of the gravel and I think this may be a better foreground plant for me. We'll see which one wins the battle

Algae growing a little faster but is also less firmly attached to wood, leaves etc. and pearling is more pronounced. I may scale back just a bit on dosing now that the levels in the tank are up. Thanks for the tip MatPat!!!

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That is great news...To help keep that algae under control get your nitrates down to 10ppm and keep the ratio of N03/P04 at 23 to 1.



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Glad to hear it is working for you! I would check both your NO3 and PO4 levels to see what the tank has used since the last tests and go from there. I don't believe it is necessary to keep any type of ratio, be it 23:1, 16:1 or 10:1 (kinda makes things more complicated if you ask me) but rather to make sure you don't run out of anything. As you have noticed, with low PO4 things don't grow as quickly or as nicely. I'd be interested in hearing what your NO3 and PO4 levels are now.

Manually remove the algae and maybe decrease your PO4 a bit (2ml every other day?) and see how things do. Give it some time and observe the changes and adjust your dosing from there.

Plants seem to grow well in my tanks and algae doesn't so I have no desire to take the time to test for ratios and monitor my dosing to keep them in in a certain ratio.

When I test, I usually do it on water change day just to see what the tank has used for the week. If needed, I adjust my dosing for the next week. I usually only test when I decide to decrease or increase dosing. Mostly out of curiosity
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