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Old 02-05-2012, 09:28 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Latest picture: These are big plants in an 18 inch high aquarium. The leaves are over 1 foot long and an inch to an inch and a quarter wide. The largest plant has produced a leaf with a petiole and an oval blade. The rest are still producing flat leaves. There are three visible runners now. I can ship out two floating plants now, one dollar each plus priority mail charges. PM me. There will be more plants available later from the runners.

I cut off all the floating leaves from the E. cordifolius.

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:45 PM   #22 (permalink)
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wow man! me want one! im going to have to harrass you now =)

any idea on the id of this sag?
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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wow man! me want one! im going to have to harrass you now =)

any idea on the id of this sag?
I have two floaters I can send now. I would prefer to only send one to a person unless you are the only one who is currently interested. One dollar plus shipping charges, PayPal. PM me and tell me if you need a heat pack. There will soon be more new plants for shipping from the runners that are now being produced. My best guess is that the species is Sagittaria platyphylla. The location maps for that species show it clustered in the south central states, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana Oklahoma, and Texas.

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Hey Paul......I'm just curious: is it possible that this species could be stunted by high light? Mine have grown nicely, and send up new leaves once every two weeks or so. The coloration looks really nice, but the leaves just don't get any bigger than 8" or so.

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Picture was taken on 4/8/12.....what are your thoughts? Is it still acclimating maybe? It has plenty of ferts, both in the water column and in the substrate, CO2, nice water flow (not too fast...relatively gentle current). No runners yet either.

I'm perplexed!
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Mine certainly got bigger as can be seen in the pictures. I had 2, 55 watt, compact fluorescents with American Hobbyist reflectors on a 29 gallon tank. How does that compare to your lighting? Maybe yours will continue to get bigger, but it certainly wouldn't be bad if they stayed at that size. I think the plant is going to get bigger.
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well, I have 12x54watt Giesemann's in that pendant......
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I don't think that higher light will stunt the plant very much. I wouldn't be surprised to see it reach the surface in two or three months with good nutrient and CO2 levels. It is going to mess up the balance of the tank when it does because it is near the front.
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Cool find Paul.
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Basically it is about the size of an Amazon sword, but it has strap-like leaves. All of my plants eventually did start producing leaves with petioles and spoon-shaped blades.

2ManyHobbies got this whole thing started when he produced pictures of a wide-leaved Sagittaria he got from a Minnesota lake. https://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...2063-what.html At first glance, I thought he had S. platyphylla, but that species is not found in Minnesota. Now, I am thinking he has S. cristata, which, when grown in an aquarium does not get nearly as big as S. platyphylla, with submersed leaves maxing out at around 6 inches.

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Hello Paul,

there is or was a "S. platyphylla" in the trade that is quite low with rather spreading leaves. It might be the same as DonaldMBoyer's plant. Once I grew it emersed and flowered it but missed to compare it with the Sagittaria descriptions in Flora of North America, or to make specimens. I've lost this plant. Someone told me that he can't find anymore this Sagittaria type in the trade or by other hobbyists. Instead of that a Sag is sold as "platyphylla" that grows higher (I think, a broad-leaved form from the S. subulata group, not the same as Your monster platyphylla).

Apart from that, there's the already mentioned "Sagittaria platyphylla" in the Botanical Garden Göttingen that I've IDed as S. cristata, but its submerged leaves are broader than those of the "old" low "S. platyphylla".
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