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Old 03-08-2006, 05:21 AM   #11 (permalink)
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oh as you can c from my 27L tank the MICROSORUM PTEROPUS 'WINDELøV' i think ... the leaf are black and holes seem to appear....may I know y??

Oh and Bert H... is HOB a good filtration system?? Any good recommendation of setting a perfect filtration system??

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Medowance,

It's been a while since I did diy, but here's what I remember from how I mixed it. Fill up a 2 liter bottle about 3/4 full of cool or slightly warm (NOT HOT!!!) water and dump it into a pan. Add two cups (8 ounce size) of sugar, and stir to dissolve it. Add the yeast (1/2 tsp sounds right) - I bought the Fleishman's yeast packets, don't think it was 'instant' though, don't remember. Mix the yeast until it appears to be mostly 'dissolved'. Then pour all the stuff back into the bottle. You need to have a open head space on the bottle just in case. BTW, there's no magic in one bottle type over another. Actually a fatter juice-type bottle is more stable than the soda bottles. You can adjust the recipe accordingly depending on the size you end up using.

In my hands, it would take 24-48 hours before I saw decent gas production. It doesn't happen immediately. I had two such bottles tied via a 'y' connector feeding a 29 gal tank. Every two weeks I would change the mixture of one of the bottles - this maintained as steady a CO2 level as I could with diy. Each bottle stayed hooked up for 3-4 weeks before I dumped it. For me, this became a pita after several months. After I decided to switch to pressurized I kicked myself for not having done it sooner. I understand some folks don't want to or can afford pressurized, but in the long run, imo, it will pay for itself if only on the your own personal time saved.

Regarding the filters - an hob is fine if that's what you want to use. Many folks here use cannister filters, Eheims, Filstars, Fluval, etc. They cause less surface agitation which can cause CO2 to off gas out of the tank. As to a 'perfect filter', imo, no such creature exists.
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IC ... so which means if I use th cannister filter, the mixture of CO2 and the water can be mix much better....

BTW for a 5lbs pressurised CO2....how long does it last?? Need to do some calculation before purshasin 1 myself. In malaysia it cost about RM 350.00 per bottle (USD 90.00/bottle 5lbs)

Oh can someone tell me why my plant the leaf edge become black and holes started to show within the leaf....

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The thing with HOB is it comes into my 50g tank package.

So basically I'm using 1 now which came with my small tank, which doesn't do the work. So i'm looking at those cannister filter and wanted to know more on what or which brand to use. Please comments.

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IMO, a 5lb cylinder in a 50 should last you 6-8 months. I have a 10 lb in my 50 which lasts about a year, but I have a fairly high flow rate because of my hard water and run it 24/7.

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You can ask 5 different people and get 5 different answers here. There are some brands which are preferred over others. Eheim is considered the top of the line by many, but they are also the most expensive. I personally use the Filstars, imo, a great filter for the $$. Check out the review section here at apc for some folks experiences with filters.
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Ok is the cylinder sold in aquarium shops are the same selling for fire dept or soft drink?? If I'll used the pressurized CO2, this so call regulator (correct me if I'm wrong) with 2 needle gauge need to be bought as well right in order to control the CO2 flow.

So my question is,
One, how does these thing contol the flow cos I read something in the forum stating the regulator is the one controlling the most of flow and it's present like a computer. Am I mistaken??

Two, which type to purchase?? I heard Azoo (taiwan brand) is quite good.

As you stated, if I ask 5 person, 5 person will give me different answer for the filter. Most of the shops around here are selling Eheim and Fluval more and the one you mention don't seem to be in the list here. So i think I'll take Eheim but which model?? The specs on the web page....ur...ur... well I don't quite understand, therefore don't know what model to take.

So say i bought the filter, now the pump or is it a sucker?? The one which suck water to the filter and out...... What to purchase?? Saw an illustration on a web page selling these thing by 2 doctors name...can't recall the web page...and saw how these thing connect and roughly works...so is there any suggestion for the pumps?

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Ok is the cylinder sold in aquarium shops are the same selling for fire dept or soft drink?? If I'll used the pressurized CO2, this so call regulator (correct me if I'm wrong) with 2 needle gauge need to be bought as well right in order to control the CO2 flow.

So my question is,
One, how does these thing contol the flow cos I read something in the forum stating the regulator is the one controlling the most of flow and it's present like a computer. Am I mistaken??

Two, which type to purchase?? I heard Azoo (taiwan brand) is quite good.

As you stated, if I ask 5 person, 5 person will give me different answer for the filter. Most of the shops around here are selling Eheim and Fluval more and the one you mention don't seem to be in the list here. So i think I'll take Eheim but which model?? The specs on the web page....ur...ur... well I don't quite understand, therefore don't know what model to take.

So say i bought the filter, now the pump or is it a sucker?? The one which suck water to the filter and out...... What to purchase?? Saw an illustration on a web page selling these thing by 2 doctors name...can't recall the web page...and saw how these thing connect and roughly works...so is there any suggestion for the pumps?

Thanks (Sorry for my stupidity)
You'll probably have to get a CO2 cylinder off of Ebay or from a welding supply store. I would call around to find the best price. You can also get them refilled at most welding supply stores.

As for the regulator, I have the Azoo and it is great. You don't need much. Basically connect the regulator to the tank, the CO2 line from the regulator to a bubble counter and then to the diffuser or reactor. With the Azoo, you only have a needle valve to work with since it predefines how much air comes into the regulator. Very easy to use.

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On a 50, you should have plenty of circulation with the Eheim so you do not need a secondary powerhead to add to it. That will be a matter of taste once you start. As to what model Eheim to get, I can't tell you, because I do not use Eheim. Go to their web site and look at the specs of the different models. My suggestion would be to get a filter that is rated above capacity for the tank you have. That should give you plenty of power to run an external CO2 reactor, (and even heater if you wanted to) and give good circulation in your tank. A lot of it has to do with how much money you want to spend. As I mentioned earlier, there's nothing wrong with an hob (hang on back) type of filter (such as Aqua Clears) if you choose to go with it.

In the US it is usually cheaper to buy the CO2 cylinder at a welding supply store or a fire extinguisher place, I don't know about your country. You can order the tank from an on-line retailer. Realize that it is not possible to ship the tank full of gas, so if you buy it on line, it will arrive empty, and you will have to fill it up. As for regulators, the azoo is fine. I believe it comes with built in needle valve. The needle valve is what allows you to control the flow of the gas very finely so as to get a slow enough flow for your tank. A bubble counter is nothing more than a device full of liquid which lets you visualize the individual bubbles coming from your tank/regulator combination so you have a way to quantitate and adjust your flow rate.

You might want to check out this site: http://www.rexgrigg.com/./co2.htm for some specific CO2 info.
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Ur..........still confuse above this regulator thing....

C if I buy this CO2 cylinder, then I connect to this Regulator right? Do I need to do some additional adjustment or setting?? Or just unwrap the thing and connect, then just open valve. Everything presto without further adjustment??
Coz I read so forum stated have to adjust pressure, output and blah blah blah....

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The pic show 2 needle gauge, something circular in the middle with something attach (what is that) and a small black thing (regulator I assume??).

Actually what the function of a regulator and what is a selonoid. B'cos some item show with or without these selonoid.

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Ur..........still confuse above this regulator thing....

C if I buy this CO2 cylinder, then I connect to this Regulator right? Do I need to do some additional adjustment or setting?? Or just unwrap the thing and connect, then just open valve. Everything presto without further adjustment??
Coz I read so forum stated have to adjust pressure, output and blah blah blah....

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The pic show 2 needle gauge, something circular in the middle with something attach (what is that) and a small black thing (regulator I assume??).

Actually what the function of a regulator and what is a selonoid. B'cos some item show with or without these selonoid.
It's actually quite simple. Seems a lot more complicated before you actually have the stuff in front of you. That regulator connects to the CO2 tank, then open the tank's valve. After that, you simply adjust the needle valve (the thing sticking out the bottom of the Azoo regulator) until you get the bubbles/second that you want. The Azoo regulator is different from others in that you don't have to worry about adjusting the pressure from the tank to the regulator, only the output pressure.

That middle circular thing is just a junction I believe. Nothing I have had to take a wrench to. The black thing is the solenoid for use with a timer. That way it can automatically turn off at night. Simply plug it into a wall timer. The regulator regulates the air pressure while the solenoid allows you to shut it off with a timer.

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