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Old 03-06-2006, 06:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yoh! A Very Newbie in proper setting up of a tank.

I going to purchase a 50 gallon (194litres) tank but not sure what are the needed accessories required such as lighting, filter system, CO2 disspenser/reactor (which is better??).

Can anyone guide me to purchase the proper needed accessories say what type of system is best for or what type of equipment are good. Some of the brand stated in this forum can be locally found in Malaysia but of course ADA product are very! expensive.

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How much money are you looking to spend and what are your goals for the tank?
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well it depends on the item using.

For example a 50 gallon tank here cost about RM 1400.00 (USD 370.00) and my main aim for the tank is creating a aqua landscape world in my living room.

Planning to change the enviroment of the tanks time to time (experiment type all the way until got perfect scape).

Got a designscape for the tank already but not sure the accessories needed is enough.

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1. It's an open tank so not sure 2 x 55w is enough.
2. The filtration system is those hanging at the edge of the tanks (doesn't seems to work well)
3. Not sure to use presurize CO2 or those reactor (a 1 litre bottle mix with something to create gas)
4. Test kit for the tank (require to have 1 or not).

Plant wanted is glossostigma elantinoides, lilaeopsis brasiliensis, lysimachia nummularia, egeria najas, java fern (to whole background and driftwood), and maybe some moss to stone. So basically my scape is like a green field with large tree in the middle.......
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If you are planing to use plants that require high lights, such as glossostigma elantinoides, you need some co2 with the strong lights. I'm not sure if the 2*55watt works, but I use a 4*60 watt light and my glosso grows fine.

Personally, I don't use a test kit, only when I start out my tank, to check how the water is doing. BUT most people would insist you to use one, and most people here use one.

For me, I use DIY co2. Here is a great link:

http://www.plantedtank.net/articles/DIY-Yeast-CO2/7/


I hope that helps...

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Nice article.... can use some saving tips as well.

But what do i get as a diffuser??

I remember I have a glass diffuser which have spiral tube inside and the bell opening have this white like stone table ...... but all green now.....
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Can I use it as a diffuser for the DIY kit?? and if yes.. how do i control it so it won't toxicated my fish. Will it produce bubble like crazy??? And thanks for the lighting tips as well.

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Wow after reading some of the DIY section forum.... much more question to ask.....

Ok with the DIY CO2 coz it will last till 16-30 days plus minus then remix the thing again or just readd the sugar to the mixture??

Next.. I saw lots of Fluva or Magnum...may i know what is this? Is this the filtration system??
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Can I use it as a diffuser for the DIY kit?? and if yes.. how do i control it so it won't toxicated my fish. Will it produce bubble like crazy??? And thanks for the lighting tips as well.
Unless you have 15 bottles of DIY, chances are you won't have any problem putting in too much CO2.

That diffuser would work. I have a similar one on a pressurized setup and see no reason why it wouldn't work for DIY.
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ic. thanks BrianK.

So about the mixture, after 16-30 days; do i just add sugar n yeast to it or I remix a new one each time.
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Hello Medowance,

Welcome to apc. Let me try to answer a couple of your questions here.

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Ok with the DIY CO2 coz it will last till 16-30 days plus minus then remix the thing again or just readd the sugar to the mixture??
With diy, you will need to make a completely new mixture every time. On a 50 gal, I would strongly recommend having two diy bottles hooked up and stagger making new yeast/sugar mixtures every couple of weeks. The problem with diy is that it doesn't usually provide a steady amount of CO2. Having multiple bottles with staggered solutions will help this out.

As far as getting the CO2 into the tank, the diffuser you pictured can be used. I believe you said you were planning to use an hob (hang on back of tank) type of filter. If so, you can simply feed the CO2 gas line into the intake of your filter. That way the filter becomes your CO2 reactor and 'feeds' the tank CO2 enriched water.

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Next.. I saw lots of Fluva or Magnum...may i know what is this? Is this the filtration system??
Yes, these are types of cannister filters. Fluval and Magnum are types of filters.

As has been mentioned, glosso does require strong light and CO2 to form a good carpet. With strong light, it is really important you have good CO2. Strong light means you have to maintain your tank's parameters, ie, fertilizer levels, in a good range. Keep that in mind.

As far as test kits, some folks don't use them, some do. For starting out, I would suggest to use them so that you can get an idea of the 'rythm' of your tank - how much nitrate and phosphates are used/produced. IMO, you should get a pH and kh test kit - this will help you determine how much CO2 you have in your water. Here's a link showing how to calculate CO2 from kh and pH: http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_co2chart.htm

One more link for you to look at which is a real good introductory to keeping planted tanks: http://www.aquatic-plants.org/articl...ges/index.html

Good luck, and ask away. We have all been where you are now.
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Thanks Bert H.

Before i started my 50g tank, i'm testing the DIY on my 27litre tank (5/7g).

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The DIY instruction says to add 2 cups of sugar. Cups in term of drinking cup or scoop cup??

Because I put 2 drinking cup into a 1.5L bottle (cann't find 2.0L bottle) and 1/2 teaspoon yeast. Nothing happens within 15-20 minutes....So i though the yeast (writen instant yeast on package) not working and i put in 1 full tea spoon into the bottle and guese what happen..........bubble coming out of the difusser after 10-15minutes.....then......more....and....more...and. [email protected]#%#!!!

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Must have been a terrible mistake.........
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