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Old 10-06-2007, 01:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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So then what do you think would be the feasablity of using turface in a non CO2 injected tank that is filled with tap water?
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Old 10-06-2007, 03:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Sure, but not using CO2 limits your plant selection.
In that case any gravel will do the job. Substrate is the last thing you should be concerned about, itís there to hold the plants down and look nice, thatís it. With proper water column fertilization any substrate will do the job.
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I look at substrate the same way. I will keep this in mind if i wind up picking up the turface product. Have you seen these same results with SMS?
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There is a bit more to it than "... it’s there to hold the plants down and look nice, that’s it." Otherwise, ADA aquasoil would not be found to be so superior by so many people. I think having a nutrient rich substrate is desirable, but not necessary. My SM plus River silt is working better than SM alone ever did, even though I was able to grow plants well in just SM. Some day I will decide I can afford ADA aquasoil and try it myself!
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Well, I was planning to use some CO2 along with Excel, but I'll do some out-of-tank testing first.
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There is a bit more to it than "... it’s there to hold the plants down and look nice, that’s it." Otherwise, ADA aquasoil would not be found to be so superior by so many people. I think having a nutrient rich substrate is desirable, but not necessary. My SM plus River silt is working better than SM alone ever did, even though I was able to grow plants well in just SM. Some day I will decide I can afford ADA aquasoil and try it myself!
I think branding and misconception is more of a factor in ADA's product popularity.

From what I read the "nutrients" in Aqua soil are all used up pretty quickly. After that it really is just aesthetics.
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not sure about the turface turning into mud, I have Turface mvp in two of my tanks, one has been setup for about a year the other is half a year with Co2 injection and so on.... i have not really seen any detriorating from it. Have long did you have the tank before it turned to into mud?

As for the substract not being as important, i find that somewhat false. I also have a tank with aquasoil and it has been setup for roughly a year, for the first half of the year i had co2 and dry fert and the plant was lush and green. Then when i got busy the co2 and fert completely stopped also water change dropped down from 50% everyweek to 50% every 2-3 weeks with RO water and the plants are still green and lush, of course not as much as before.

As for the Turface, you could go to the website and ask for a sample bag. A spokeman will call you and ask for your company, make something up and make it sound legit. I got a 50lb bag for free as a sample this way.

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Old 10-17-2007, 10:11 AM   #18 (permalink)
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As for the substract not being as important, i find that somewhat false. I also have a tank with aquasoil and it has been setup for roughly a year, for the first half of the year i had co2 and dry fert and the plant was lush and green. Then when i got busy the co2 and fert completely stopped also water change dropped down from 50% everyweek to 50% every 2-3 weeks with RO water and the plants are still green and lush, of course not as much as before.

As for the Turface, you could go to the website and ask for a sample bag. A spokeman will call you and ask for your company, make something up and make it sound legit. I got a 50lb bag for free as a sample this way.

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just the oppisite I've had the same results with schultz. Great growth while I'm staying on top of maintenance. And steady but not as when I've slacked.
I think this goes to show that the substrate ultimately has less to do with good growth then other factors in the tank.


You lucked out on the turface tho. they only sent me little 3oz baggies.
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:35 PM   #19 (permalink)
 
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I have had a stable Turface only tank for about 10 years (since it took an honorable mention) in the first AGA contest. It is now over-run by crypts.
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Well, I put some in a bucket and ran a HOB filter on it for a couple days. The water went from (in dH) kH=10, GH=15 to kH=0, GH=7.

I am very interested in the person who said that they put coral in their filter for a while but were then able to take it out. Why would that be?

Did the high CEC of this material enable it to suck all the dissolved solids that contribute to kH/GH out of the water? And then the coral replaced it until the Turface was saturated in this sense?

I am trying to decide whether to use this or throw it out. I want to keep a stable kH over 4 and GH over 10 (and pH over 7) without too much fiddling
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