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Old 01-05-2008, 10:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question !!!DESPERATELY NEED LIGHTING HELP!!! amongst other assistance

I have a Aqueon 14 gallon glass aquarium kit linked below:
http://petco.shoplocal.com/petco/def...3dPetco-071226

With the 14 gallon I am using the following equipment:
50 watt submersible aqueon heater (came with kit)
Water temp is currently reading 76F
Emperor Power Aquarium Filter Model 280
One 7kg bag of Seachem Flourite Plant Substrate (makes a 2 & 1/2" bed)
One Whisper 30-60 air pump with small round airstone attached
Full hood with two 15 watt incandescent bulbs run on timer for 12 hours a day

MY QUESTION IS dealing with lighting. I hate the incandescent bulbs and want to swith them out with compact flourescents (I've read where others have done the same successfully). I'm looking at two different bulbs by the same manufacturer which I think will fit in the hood. I really need to know if EITHER of them will provide enough lighting to grow plants? And if so, which one is best.

IF neither of these lights will work or provide enough wattage I will need recommendations of what WILL work in the hood to replace the incandescents.

Below I have provided the link for the two bulbs that I was looking at to replace the incandescent bulbs, and by the look of it they should fit into the hood:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...=09-53834193-2

Plants that are currently being considered for this tank are as follows and were found through PlantGeek.net ; however I should warn you I want to try to stay away from co2 systems and If I absolutely must forego it I will use co2 dissolvable tabs.


Foreground: Microsword, Dwarf Sag, Cuban Broad Leaf Chain/Narrow Leaf Chain Sword, Golden Nana

Middle: Amazon Sword, Bacopa australis, Compact Hygro/Giant Hygro

Backdrop: Alternanthera, Ammannia senegalensis, Contortionist Val/Corkscrew val, Onion plant, Pogostemon stellatus, Watersprite, Willow leaf hygro

**Please Feel free to critique my list and suggest which plants will be easier to maintain in each category**

Species being considered:
Otocinclus (he's pretty much a definate)
Cherry Shrimp
Dwarf Gourami (maybe a flame) & a small school of lemon tetras
fancy guppies
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Your PetCo link doesn't work...and neither does your link to DrsF&S.
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Links did not work for me, either.

Swap out the Incandescent bulbs with the compact fluorescents that might be labeled "Daylight". If there are any numbers like 6500K this is the closest you will get to good lighting with such bulbs. I have found such bulbs at hardware stores and even Wal Mart. I do not know if the fatter bulbs will fit in the light fixture you have, though. The narrower bulbs that are designed for aquarium hoods would be better if you can find them.
Ultimately I think you will end up getting a better light fixture.
Overall I do not think much of 'Kits'- they include only the cheapest, poorest quality equipment that is just barely adequate for a tank that is stocked at only half the amount of fish that I like to keep.
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A fourteen gallon tank isn't very big, and certainly isn't big enough for an Amazon Sword plant. Incidentally, Aqueon doesn't show any 14 gallon aquarium or aquarium kit on their website. Something isn't adding up here. And, Petco's website doesn't show any Aqueon aquariums, nor any 14 gallon aquariums.
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A fourteen gallon tank isn't very big, and certainly isn't big enough for an Amazon Sword plant. Incidentally, Aqueon doesn't show any 14 gallon aquarium or aquarium kit on their website. Something isn't adding up here. And, Petco's website doesn't show any Aqueon aquariums, nor any 14 gallon aquariums.


+1.

Did a quick search, no results for me either. Oh well.
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EDITED, sorry didn't realize the links weren't working

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I have a Aqueon 14 gallon glass aquarium kit which was in last weeks petco ad that was available online and listed on the 1st page for $39.99 with a P.A.L.S card or $79.99 without one.

With the 14 gallon I am using the following equipment:
50 watt submersible aqueon heater (came with kit)
Water temp is currently reading 76F
Emperor Power Aquarium Filter Model 280
One 7kg bag of Seachem Flourite Plant Substrate (makes a 2 & 1/2" bed)
One Whisper 30-60 air pump with small round airstone attached
Full hood with two 15 watt incandescent bulbs run on timer for 12 hours a day

MY QUESTION IS dealing with lighting. I hate the incandescent bulbs and want to swith them out with compact flourescents (I've read where others have done the same successfully). I'm looking at two different bulbs by the same manufacturer which I think will fit in the hood. I really need to know if EITHER of them will provide enough lighting to grow plants? And if so, which one is best.

IF neither of these lights will work or provide enough wattage I will need recommendations of what WILL work in the hood to replace the incandescents.

the two bulbs that I was looking at to replace the incandescent bulbs, and by the look of it they should fit into the hood:are 10 watt coralife mini compact bulbs available in >>Coralife 50/50
50% 10,000K daylight and 50% Actinic 03 blue. Great for fresh and saltwater aquariums.
AND
Coralife Colormax
6,700K full spectrum lamps with color-enhancing phosphors. Ideal for freshwater aquariums.
Both are shown on Drsfostersmith.com by following Fish > Lighting > Compact Fluorescent Bulbs & Lamps > Mini Compact Bulbs

Plants that are currently being considered for this tank are as follows and were found through PlantGeek.net ; however I should warn you I want to try to stay away from co2 systems and If I absolutely must forego it I will use co2 dissolvable tabs.


Foreground: Microsword, Dwarf Sag, Cuban Broad Leaf Chain/Narrow Leaf Chain Sword, Golden Nana

Middle: Amazon Sword, Bacopa australis, Compact Hygro/Giant Hygro

Backdrop: Alternanthera, Ammannia senegalensis, Contortionist Val/Corkscrew val, Onion plant, Pogostemon stellatus, Watersprite, Willow leaf hygro

**Please Feel free to critique my list and suggest which plants will be easier to maintain in each category**

Species being considered:
Otocinclus (he's pretty much a definate)
Cherry Shrimp
Dwarf Gourami (maybe a flame) & a small school of lemon tetras
fancy guppies

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You should be able to use any Spiral fluorescent bulb that will fit into your hood. Definitely check out Walmart versus ordering online...Walmart stuff is much easier and cheaper to return should the bulb not fit. I would get the biggest wattage bulb you can fit into the hood and try it out.

I am in agreement with Hoppy on the Sword plant. Given a month, maybe two it will outgrow the tank. I would avoid the P. stellatus it will not grow well, it at all without CO2. The Ammania will probably be the same as the P. stellatus. In my opinion, if you must use something other than CO2, try Flourish Excel or find some gluteraldehyde at a local Medical Supply Waraehouse and skip the CO2 fizz tabs.

The Yellow Tetras may try to eat your cherries it they are not kept very well fed. These are the only fish I have ever kept that actually chased my cherries around the tank. If your Cherries are adult size, it probably won't be an issue.

Other than that it sounds like you have a good plan for your tank. Do you plan on fertilizing or did I miss that part?
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You should be able to use any Spiral fluorescent bulb that will fit into your hood. Definitely check out Walmart versus ordering online...Walmart stuff is much easier and cheaper to return should the bulb not fit. I would get the biggest wattage bulb you can fit into the hood and try it out.

I am in agreement with Hoppy on the Sword plant. Given a month, maybe two it will outgrow the tank. I would avoid the P. stellatus it will not grow well, it at all without CO2. The Ammania will probably be the same as the P. stellatus. In my opinion, if you must use something other than CO2, try Flourish Excel or find some gluteraldehyde at a local Medical Supply Waraehouse and skip the CO2 fizz tabs.

The Yellow Tetras may try to eat your cherries it they are not kept very well fed. These are the only fish I have ever kept that actually chased my cherries around the tank. If your Cherries are adult size, it probably won't be an issue.

Other than that it sounds like you have a good plan for your tank. Do you plan on fertilizing or did I miss that part?

Thanks for the info, but was curious about the bulbs I listed above as I know they will probably fit and shouldn't melt the cheapo hood...For fertilizing was thinging the substrate alone and possibly adding tabs to it?
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Almost any of the compact fluorescent bulbs that would fit in the hood would be ok as far as melting the cheap plastic is concerned. To get even moderate lighting you would need something like 23 watt bulbs - remember, those hoods don't have good reflectors, if any at all, and spiral twist bulbs lose a lot of light due to restrike.
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got aggravated with finding bulbs and worrying about corrosion of them, so went to my lfs where I got a flourescent hood...Lfs said it would be fine for the plants I was looking at getting and that no co2 would be needed with them. Suggested a bottle of FlouraPride Plant Fertilizer and out the door I went with the addition of a clown pleco and 3 Harlequin Rasbora's to start off with.
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