thanks Roger...Im gonna try Bolbitus, Java moss, Hairgrass, and Dwarf swords which I are understand are easy to keep and are quite prolific..Im going to aquascape the tank and keep it empty for about a month, then add my fish..am I correct that the bolbitus and moss need to be attached to driftwood? will they also grow on rock? when you say attached..tie them on? fertilizer? CO2 to the water? peat in a basket of one of the canster filters?..to all of you outhere doing this for a while you are probably thinking plant genocide...given all my herbivores...but its worth a shot..maybe just maybe two of the four species of plants will survive...if so ill add additons of these to make up for the loss...hey we live, we learn ill keep anyone posted..