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Old 03-31-2005, 11:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Eric and Aaron,

This post is mainly for these two guys but anyone with any knowledge or that lives in Hawaii is more than welcome to post!

So a couple of years ago I bought some "ghost shrimp" or "feeder shrimp" from one of the local pet stores. I bought them mainly as food for my cichlids and to throw in my planted tanks for the hell of it. After observing them for a couple days in the planted tank some of them had turned from absolutely clear to dark brown. They also weren't behaving like detritivores, they were on the leaves of plants eating the algae. This got me thinking.

After reading info on various shrimp sites and seeing pictures of the true glass or ghost shrimp (Palaemonetes paludosus) I realized that the body shape was completely different.

One day a few weeks ago I did a shearch for the Red Cherrie shrimp to see if it was on the list of importation into Hawaii (hawaii dept of Ag is pretty strict in what they allow into the state) and I came accross this article:

Neocardina denticulata sinensis


So moral of the story is:
Here in hawaii we have this species, it lives in every freshwater habitat on this island at least and you can buy them in every local pet store for the price of 10-15 for $1.00!

Pretty cool huh?

So my question to the other Oahu natives if the shrimp species is here everywhere........why can't we have the cherry red variety and just claim that we got it from the local stream? HDOA can't do anything about it.......they are technicall and scientifically the same species!!!!!!!!

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Interesting thought, I did some reading and ghost shrimp like to eat algae so that may be why you saw them on the leaves. I've had some before and they turned brown either during their molt or their breeding season. I never really paid close attention to them but they were always breeding and took turns turning brown. I'm interested to hear what else has to be said on the subject.

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Ken,
I guess you could say that you caught your cherry shrimp in Manoa stream... there is a guy who said he caught his Fly River Turtles there too.

The problem with bringing in cherry shrimp legally is that they are not on the "list". In Hawaii, the Dept of Ag. has control over what is and is not allowed. If an animal is not listed, it is not allowed regardless if it is established on the island. Take Jackson's Chameleons for example. These things are everywhere, but their importation AND exportation are strictly prohibited.
One can petition to add species onto the list, if you'd like to learn how, ask Chuck.

As for Neocaridinia denticulata sinensis, These shrimp are EVERYWHERE! Depending on the environment, you can find them in black, brown green and even blue. I am not sure when they were introduced, but I have found them in every stream and pond that I've checked out. they have supplanted the native shrimp in all of these waters, pushing them back up into the head waters above cascades and waterfalls. I went looking for the native ones on several occasions but only seem to find Neocaridinia denticulata sinensis.
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Aaron,

So the question becomes.......If they are not on the list are they illegal to have in your possession or just to import/export? If it is the former is true then that is retarded because every store in hawaii sell these things and as you know every stream also has them.

Kevin,

If the shrimp that you had before were purchased on Oahu, the chances are they aren't glass or ghost shrimp they are the Neocaridina. Look at the overall body structure. The second reason I believe that they are Neocaridina is (correct me if I am wrong I would love to see a link)........Palaeomonetes all go through a planktanic filter feeding phase of one type or another. When these shrimp reproduce (at least in my tank) they come out as perfect little benthic shrimp. I have never seen a plantonic stage.

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Sorry I can't add anything to this discussion, but it is very interesting. It is sad, however, that native shrimp are being displaced...
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Ken,
It is okay for anyone to have them in their possession, so knock yourself out! I have literally thousands of them in my various tanks and fishpond so if you want some, let me know.

Piscesgirl,
Yes it is sad, but it seems these shrimp are doing much better on the other islands. They are also very good climbers and are able to scale waterfalls, which gives them the opportunity to go where other alien shrimp dare not.
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And here I was thinking about bringing some Opa'e (Atyoida bisulcata) back to California when I go home to visit this Summer. My brother in Kaneohe said he's been catching shrimp in the local streams and that they've been reproducing in his tank. Since I've read that the Atyoida has a marine larval stage, I didn't know what to make of it. Now I know the reason.
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Ken, seeing as how i'm just starting to learn about shrimp I'll trust your judgement. I could be very wrong. The "ghost" shrimp I bought were from stores here on Oahu. I usually go to Pet Discount near the NEX or Coral Fish in Aiea. If I can find again where I got my information from I'll shoot you a PM with the link and everything.

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Hey guys, was wondering if your ghost fish jump - like jump when being chased because what i noticed with one delivery at petland is that the shrimp did jump. Im not sure if any feeder shrimp that we got here in Oahu will eat algae.
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And here I was thinking about bringing some Opa'e (Atyoida bisulcata) back to California when I go home to visit this Summer. My brother in Kaneohe said he's been catching shrimp in the local streams and that they've been reproducing in his tank. Since I've read that the Atyoida has a marine larval stage, I didn't know what to make of it. Now I know the reason.
Bill,
You still can go look for them, as they are out there. You just have to check the part of the stream that is above a waterfall. This means some serious hiking into the various valleys around the island. The windward side has a lot of promising locations. My friend said the shrimp can be found in the back of Waihole valley. If you are still up for hunting this shrimp down when you get out here this summer, give me a buzz, I'm game.
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