glutaraldehyde instead of excel - Page 25 - South Western Ohio Aquatic Plant Enthusiasts - Aquatic Plant Central

Go Back   Aquatic Plant Central > Local or Regional Clubs - (Click button on right to expand) > South Western Ohio Aquatic Plant Enthusiasts

South Western Ohio Aquatic Plant Enthusiasts A forum for the South Western Ohio Aquatic Plant Enthusiasts club.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-12-2011, 11:57 AM   #241 (permalink)
wet
Senior Member
 
wet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 765
iTrader Ratings: 31
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
wet is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Just got turned onto this link: great post with formulas from Scorpio over at AquaPetz, who operates with resulting ppm in the aquarium instead of the % in solution: http://aquapetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=102

I like this thinking as it brings us to thinking of Glut as yet another supplement (like trace dosing, or macro dosing, or whatever). For example, imagine a calculator that let you dose 1 bottle cap (5mL) into any size aquarium for the target Glut dose. I wonder if folks have accepted Glut to the point this is useful and not confusing, though.
wet is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisement [Remove Advertisement]
Old 01-30-2012, 04:38 AM   #242 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3
iTrader Ratings: 0
vuslat is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hii.Turkey has 50% with 2% Glutaraldehyde. Which one should I buy? How should I use? To kill all the algae? Would you help? Thank you.
vuslat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2012, 05:02 AM   #243 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Seattle_Aquarist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,216
iTrader Ratings: 31
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
Seattle_Aquarist is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hi vuslat,

Welcome to APC! To avoid confusion I would recommend you purchase the 2% solution at first since it is very close to the 1.5% concentration in Seachem Excel.

Normal Dosing:
On initial use or after a major (> 40%) water change, use 4 mL for every 40 L (10 gallons*). Thereafter use 4 mL for every 200 L (50 gallons*) daily or every other day.

For Algacide Properties:
On initial use or after a major (> 40%) water change, use 4 mL for every 40 L (10 gallons*). Thereafter use 8 mL for every 200 L (50 gallons*) daily.

Remember some plants do not respond well to the use of Excel; especially Vallisneria and Ceratophyllum. Please report back with your results!

BTW, my wife and I really enjoyed Turkey when we visited there; especially the wonderful, friendly, people and spectacular history!
Seattle_Aquarist is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 01-30-2012, 05:48 AM   #244 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3
iTrader Ratings: 0
vuslat is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Thank you for your interest. Dosing of CO2 do plants in the tank. Tank has got moss species. I use the to kill hair algae. To kill algae? What is the effect to Excel? Greetings from Turkey.
vuslat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2012, 05:59 AM   #245 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Seattle_Aquarist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,216
iTrader Ratings: 31
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
Seattle_Aquarist is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hi vuslat,

If you decide to use Excel/Glut I would start with the "normal dosing" level. Some moss species do not do well with Excel/glutaraldehyde (just like the Vallisneria and Ceratophyllum). I have lost moss species even when dosing Excel/glut even at the "normal dosing" level.

Have you tried other methods to deal with your hair algae? I find that if I reduce my lighting period, increase my 50% water changes to 2 or 3 times a week, and add a Siamese Algae Eater (Crossocheilus oblongus) I can usually get hair algae under control.
Seattle_Aquarist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2012, 06:14 AM   #246 (permalink)
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3
iTrader Ratings: 0
vuslat is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

I've tried all the methods. There was hair algae in the Java Moss, Taivan Moss, Sigapore Moss aquarium plants. I did all the solutions, but 3 months is not lost. Not all iron and micro trace element fertilizers. Only used for NPK. The values used are as follows.Excel local practice is dying plants. Try GLUT.Ecxel effective or glutaraldehyde?

My tank measurements:
Nitrate: 10 ppm
Phosphate: 1 ppm
Potassium: 20 ppm
Lighting: 4 * 30 watts Slyvania Aquastar + Grolux
Lighting Time: 8 hours (4 +3 +4)
Tank temperature: 25 C
vuslat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2012, 06:32 AM   #247 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Seattle_Aquarist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,216
iTrader Ratings: 31
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
Seattle_Aquarist is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hi vuslat,

If you are asking me if Seachem Excel and glutaraldehyde (glut) are basically the same - the answer is yes.

Hair algae in moss is very difficult to eliminate. Sometimes the best thing to do is start new moss clumps using small quantities of your existing moss that you clean well to remove all the hair algae.
Seattle_Aquarist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2012, 06:14 AM   #248 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 323
iTrader Ratings: 16
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
arjosh is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

I have question to those who use glutaraldehyde. Friend of mine is trying to get rid of BBA in his 40 gal tank and dosing Metricide 28. Nothing seems to change, he is dosing 20 ml every day, nothing at. BBA is still there. So does this thing really works as Excel? I took 1 sp. from his tank and now is in 20 gal tank with no other plants. I also tried dosing the same amount. 20 ml in 20 high tank. Still BBA is there? so what are we missing here? 1 thing I can think about is Instead of using RI/DO water we use plain NYC super soft water? Could this be the cause?

According to Wets calculator this is the mix ratio.

500ml container- 300ml of metricide and 200ml of RO/DI water?

While dosing this stuff, do I need to turn off water movement. filter, powerhead etc? This Metricide gallon was purchased a month ago, so i don't think it expired already and is stored in cool dark place under the counter.

Not only BBA, which is tough but also does nothing to GSA as well in his tank. If you need further more info. I can provide.

Last edited by arjosh; 07-21-2012 at 06:21 AM..
arjosh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2012, 08:20 AM   #249 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Seattle_Aquarist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 5,216
iTrader Ratings: 31
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
Seattle_Aquarist is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hi arjosh,

First, the calculations are correct. Metricide 28 is 2.5% glutaraldehyde and adding 200 ml of water to 300 ml of Metricide 28 will give you a 1.5% (Excel strength) solution.

In my experience GSA is not effected by Glutaraldehyde, adjusting my phosphate dosage seems to be showing some progress with that.

BBA is tough stuff! Typically I dose the Seachem recommended 'Initial dose' at water changes and 2X the recommended 'Daily dose'. If there is a heavy outbreak on plants I remove any leaves that are heavily affected. Any hardscapes, heaters, etc I remove from the 'scape and treat with 50/50 bleach/H2O and then scrub with a brush and use a very heavy treatment of Seachem Prime to nuetralize the bleach. For stubborn patches in the tank I turn of all filtration so the water becomes still and then "spot treat" the heavy areas 'painting' them with 1.5% glut and an oral dosing syringe. I am careful when 'spot treating' not to exceed the recommended ml dosage per gallon.

After the BBA dies then my SAE move in and eat the dead 'tufts' leaving me BBA free!
Seattle_Aquarist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2012, 09:20 AM   #250 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 323
iTrader Ratings: 16
iTrader Positive Rating: 100%
arjosh is a regular member
Default Re: glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Hey Roy

I understand all above you mentioned, My question is Will Metricide gives you the same effect of Excel ONLY if Diluted in RO/DI Water or it doesn't matter if its Tap water? In my observation this Metricide is less effective than Excel as I bought home a stem of Persicaria Ruby from a friend and dosed 20ml of metricide diluted of course in 20 gal tank but no other plants...Still BBA is in the stem.

When I used Excel a year or so ago for some BBA in Hygrophila sp. 'araguaia' leaves it (Excel) took care of BBA in 10 minutes turning it in Pink color and gone in few days...Shrimps took care of the rest.
arjosh is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Aquatic Plant Central > Local or Regional Clubs - (Click button on right to expand) > South Western Ohio Aquatic Plant Enthusiasts > glutaraldehyde instead of excel

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1