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Old 04-05-2007, 06:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, I guess I'm glad there are high school kids and college kids working in pet stores. that's a good place to start out in the world of working a great place to get interested in keeping and maintaining fish. Sure, not everyone is a fish nerd or know it all- but who is?

I have worked for almost every fish business in Columbus in the last 8 years. Being a college student I work on and off, so I never stayed for long or worked FT after 2003. Saying that kinda sounds sad, but it's paid off. I have a great base of friends and knowledge and can always get any fish i'm interested by asking, or finding a friend to order with. With school, it's all about money and time, so right now I have simple set ups and simple maintenaince. It's working well for me. I currently work in a marine specific store in Gahanna once a week to supplement my wages at another job while going to school at OSU.

Anywho- I've seen and done almost everything as far as acclimation goes. I've seen wild fish live and die in QT. I've seen it vary from season to season. I've seen it vary with medications, temperature, and pH. It's a lot of information, and it's quite elaborate- really it's a science unto its own.
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Anywho- I've seen and done almost everything as far as acclimation goes. I've seen wild fish live and die in QT. I've seen it vary from season to season. I've seen it vary with medications, temperature, and pH. It's a lot of information, and it's quite elaborate- really it's a science unto its own.
I'd like to see that store in Gehanna someday. I'm afraid to get into a marine tank but love to look at the fish in the aquariums in stores.

As for the lots of information, there's often one or more important "unknowns" and this turns it from a science into an art, something like modern medicine.

We're dealing with something in our goldfish tank right now, possibly brought over from another of our tanks on the siphon equipment. We've never bothered to sanitize it before, but I think we're going to start doing that now when we move to another tank.

It might be hexamita from the angelfish tank. They are natural carriers of that and remain symptom free as long as they are healthy. Melissa is using a gel medication on the two that look like they're affected the most, and we're considering dosing the tank with Clout after she's done doing that for a couple days. Clout worked very well for us before for another problem in that tank, and hexamita is listed on the label of the Clout container. We bought some pond size tablets, one tab for 100 gallons, and this is a 100 gallon tank, so I won't have to get out the balance scale (no, we're not druggies ) to weigh out a smaller portion like we would for a smaller tank. The nice thing about Clout in this tank is that the bottom feeders (corydoras) and the plants appeared to be OK with that standard dose. We didn't have the weather loach at the time.
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What symptoms are your goldfish showing? They are very suseptable to disease, expecially the man made fancy varients. Some are gauranteed to get Dropsy or other horrible untreatable diseases and ailments. They are a pain in the butt. Actually they may be too much work for me!

All aquarists would enjoy the store in Gahanna just because it's eye candy and really fun to shop. Even if you don't have a marine aquarium (yet). Don- if you're this interested in the ins and outs of a freshie tank, you could do a 20l reef tank. it's all about knowing the processes, being patient, and doing your homework.

Is clout a med for parasitic infections? I cant remember and im going to take a nap so im too lazy to google.
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I do know that while it is very strong and is sometimes more of a risk than a benefit, with our goldfish tank it's worked well in the past with no ill effects.

The nitromidazole is a common hexamita medicine. And some of the others may also be, but I'm not sure.

Good for ick, protozoan parasites, anchor worm, lice, flukes, leeches also.

Ingredients: 4-[p-(dimethylamino)-)O-Phenylbenzylidene]-2,5-cyclohexadien-1-xylidene dimethylammonium chloride; dimethyl (2,2,2-trichloro-1-hydroxy-ehtel) phosphonate; 1,2-dimmethyl-5 nitromidazole and inert ingredients as non toxic binders.

Symptoms: 1 goldfish has a hole in her wen (headgear). 1 is severely dropsical, 2 very slightly so. ! other one has a few diffuse red spots under the skin. 1 had a hemmorhage or bleed-out from the eye into the cheek area, not gill, under the eye. One has some hemmorhage areas under th ebelly where they have been sitting on the gravel (small capillaries).

If I ever do set up a saltwater tank, I'll stick with the sea weeds and some damselfish. I like those fish and they're not expensive. I can see having a few of them in a small tank, maybe a 20 gallon long or something in that range. I don't want a really small tank because things change too quickly to react in time. A larger tank acts as a buffer of sorts and buys you time to react.
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IMO all the symptoms your goldies are suffering from can be from lack of pristine water quality. I say pristine because these fish are well taken care of in asia, they aren't the run of the mill fish we treat them like. They are very well taken care of and treated with the upmost care, meaning very diligent frequent water changes. What a pain in the butt, right? who wants a fish that needs that much attention? Well... IMO, if I was doing a goldfish tank, i'd do just a few in a very large aquarium and put an autiomatic water change on the tank. This would consist of a tube of water filling the tank very slowly while a drain line slowly drained off the excess. If anyone's seen the old aquarium with africans at the airport, that's how they maintained it in between services for algae removal and debris removal. Grows fish quickly, and keeps finiky fish that can take your tap water's pH and KH looking happy.

Otherwise, I think you'll be fighting the renal failure (dropsy) until the end as well as the other skin infections. IMO, i think you're dealing with non-parasitic infections. anchor worms are obvious and easy to remove manually, ich is obvious and usually induced by some stressor or environmental factor (controlable by the aquarist), hexamita -well yeah that would help the hole int he head, but i think you've ID's your ailment incorrectly. A wen issue is usually an infection due to bacteria, and not a parasite. It could also be from physical shock to it's flesh where it was torn/eaten/removed. I dunno. IMO and experience, dosing for "just in case" is goin to wreak havvok on the fish's immune system and therefore cause more hard than good.

Med's are great when you're QT one fish and it's a for sure thing, but when it's not, it usually doesn't help the issue. Plus that med is probably depleating all the beneficial bacteria in your aquarium, making it harder and harder to maintain appropriate water quality for these finiky fishes.

Like i said, you've got your hands full
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