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Old 02-23-2006, 05:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hi,

I will be starting my first fishless cycle and I was wondering where you might find some ACS grade ammonia or any kind of ammonia for that matter?

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Not sure where to get the ACS grade ammonia...check chemical supply companies on the internet. Regular ammonia you can just find in the cleaning aisle of a Safeway or similar store....make sure there is no additives (besides water of course).
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You should not do fishless cycling.
It really is that simple.

Add plants, they use NH4, they have lots of bacteria on them, you add them and fish the same day. You xcan also use mulm, this cycles a tank instantly, any tank for that matter, why wait 3 weeks when you can start the tank now?

The bacterial levels equilibrate nicely.
Add lots of plants from day one, unless you enjoy bacterial cycling, like to wait 3 weeks, enjoy testing the NH4, NO2 levels.................

Someone did not think too much when they suggested this, it's okay for fish only tanks, but adding mulm from an established tank, (mulm=>filter squeezings, vaccuumed dirt from a tank that's 6-12 months old or older) will immediately cycle any tank.

Long long before FC ever was around, much less the web and myths it supports, we used mulm and dirty sand from one tank to cycle a new tank.
LFS's did this and suggested it to their customers also.

Gee, somehow we managed to eek by
Still works as good as ever.

Why wait 3 weeks when you can live living bacteria from an established tank?
Adding mulm adds precisely what is missing from a new tank.

Some folks actually are quite practical in this hobby.

The only case where you may want to do this: no mulm is available, it's your only tank(a new one), you have no friends near by that can send you some, there are LFS's near etc.

and you had to buy that new tank somewhere...........

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Where exacly would you put all this mulm though. Just dump it into the water and let it settle on its own?
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Feed into the filter and also put a layer down when you set up the tank's substrate.

I'd use a dusting of ground peat, mulm and then cap this thin layer with 3-4" of ADA aquasoil.

That's an ideal substrate.
Crank CO2
Plant very heavy from day one.
Add SAE's on day two, shrimp soon thereafter.

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Tom,

That was my original plan however, due to budget constraints (starving student) I cannot afford lights right now so I have to make do with a fishless cycle.

Can you elaborate more on mulm? Is that the stuff I get from vacuming my gravel (fish poo inclusive)?

I do have a lightly planted 10 gal.
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Orthikon,

Here is something I put together few years ago. I was big into african cichlids as well and didn't care for plants in those setups.

http://greenstouch.com/articles_cycle.htm

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* “Fishless Cycle” by Chris Cow Ph.D. Organic Chemistry
* “Nitrogen Cycle” by TheKrib
* “Biological Filtration Basics” by James Fatherree
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I've read the article and it covers one thing that other articles have not.

Regarding the use of Amquel, won't the presence of chlorine hinder bacteria growth as well? I guess I should just aerate the tank to gas off the chlorine instead of using Amquel. Any other suggestions?
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Smart & Final.

Ask, kinda hidden in the store.
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Tom,

That was my original plan however, due to budget constraints (starving student) I cannot afford lights right now so I have to make do with a fishless cycle.

Can you elaborate more on mulm? Is that the stuff I get from vacuming my gravel (fish poo inclusive)?

I do have a lightly planted 10 gal.
Mulm works in any tank, it's the dirt in the gravel in the filter etc.
So as I said, fishless cycling is waste of time, energy, test kits etc.

Mulm is present in any established tank and can be used to cycle instantly any tank, so if you have a mairine tank, getting some sponge squeezings or gravel "dirt" and adding some to the filter and some to the new substrate does the job.

It adds to a new tank precisely what is missing and what is present in an established tank.

This is a plain common sense approach that is better than any other cycling method there is. It's free, requires no monitoring, testing, waiting, NH3, algae potential.

And.........works on any tank(cichlid, Planted, Marine, community etc).
Oh my my my, how did we survive before FC came along?

Jay's list of other sources is useful, I'd pass on the NH3 additions.
Hey! I thought you said you where a starving student?
Why waste $ on NH4/NO2 test kits that you'll not need again thereafter?

Did I mention the mulm is FREE?

Initially FC may appear to be a good idea, but the practical aspects and alternatives have long been in place for over 50 years.

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