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Old 04-23-2006, 08:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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OK...the #1 question I got from the first meeting was how much to dose fertilizers. As anyone who has been around APC for a while knows, there are two mainstream "new school" ways to fertilize: EI and PPS. I personally work with the Estimative Index way of business as it is really low impact most days. I think other than water change day I spend all of an extra 15 seconds adding fertilizers as appropriate.

Here's the EI article from the Barr Report.

Here is a decent quick start guide.

The two fertilizers I provided were KNO3 and KH2PO4 (I was lazy labeling the KH2PO4 bags and only wrote PO4 on them - gotta hand it to Greg Watson for the labels he puts on all of his bags. In a year or two I may even run out of the ferts I last bought from him!).

Bottom line for my 50g tank (as a reference) is I add 1/2 tsp KNO3 and 1/16-1/8 tsp of KH2PO4 after a water change and every other day after that. When I don't add the macro nutrients, I add traces. Right now I've got more CSM+B than I know what to do with and meant to bring some to the meeting for any takers. If anyone in San Diego wants some, let me know

CSM+B is just one of the options for traces (micro nutrients). TB is recommending Tropica Master Grow right now, and I'm really considering it (Big Al's group buy is a good choice for this - but we should keep it regional or near the next meeting - though Carl has volunteered to be a courier of sorts as work brings him down to north county San Diego on occasion). Also, Flourish plus Flourish Iron can be a source of micro's.

This is not all inclusive...just the first ramblings I put down as I wait to head to church
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Nice answer and I hope helpful for those people who havent used dry ferts before.

By the way, Thanks for the ferts I cant believe I paid so much more for the stuff from greg watson.(I still think greg watson is a great choice if you dont have a local source.)
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would CSM+B be a replacement fot Flourish???
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Yes csm+b is a micro nutrient solution. The only difference is it doesnt contain any npk. Which you should be dosing seperatly anyways.
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Nice answer and I hope helpful for those people who havent used dry ferts before.

By the way, Thanks for the ferts I cant believe I paid so much more for the stuff from greg watson.(I still think greg watson is a great choice if you dont have a local source.)
Greg puts a lot of time and effort into getting fertilizers together (higher quality bags, color printed labels with ingredients and sometimes dosing, etc). For a single hobbiest it's not cost effective to buy 50lbs of each like I did. But I knew of a source and the fact that at least half of each would go in short order so I got it and only factored in gas $$ and rounded up a little to cover plastic bags.
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Well I appreciate your work and I am sure the rest of scape does to. That is very true 50lbs of each is a bit more than the average planted tank enthusiast would use.
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OK...next question was:
Where do you get a measuring spoon that handles 1/16 tsp. Greg Watson used to carry them and you can still see them on his site. If you keep an eye out at Bed Bath and Beyond, or anywhere that has a decent selection of cooking utensils, you may find measuring spoons that measure "Dash, Pinch, and Smidge". E-bay, amazon.com, froogle, etc will find these quite easily.
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I actually don't use spoons to dose. I use a balance and mix up solutions for pump dispensing bottles (I am using emtied ADA bottles, but US plastics has some also). Since I know the bottle volume, dispensed volume and fert in the bottle, it is really easy to dose my various tanks:
...1squirt for the 10
3 squirts for the 30
4 squirts for the 40
etc...

having a balance makes the above easy. If you don't have a balance, then spoon dose it.
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I actually don't use spoons to dose. I use a balance and mix up solutions for pump dispensing bottles (I am using emtied ADA bottles, but US plastics has some also). Since I know the bottle volume, dispensed volume and fert in the bottle, it is really easy to dose my various tanks:
...1squirt for the 10
3 squirts for the 30
4 squirts for the 40
etc...

having a balance makes the above easy. If you don't have a balance, then spoon dose it.
Chemistry geek! Maybe a group order to USPlastics is in order. I was looking at them for bags for the ferts, bottles to share group orders on Excel/TMG/etc.....
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