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Old 07-13-2006, 08:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Despite only having a 29g of my own, I decided to splurge and bought the CO2 system, and then I had to get a canister as well, since having a pair of HOB filters would just run the CO2 right out, I got an XP3 as well (I know it's a bit much for a 29g, but it was on sale and only $10 more than the xp2)! Once I buy my light upgrade from Gomer and I'll be all set!

I do have a few questions that I was hoping you guys could help me out on...

1. ferts: I have seachem's flourish (the everything one--are these the micros?) and then I also have seachem's Iron, but I don't really have a schedule for them, I try to do the flourish every other day and then the iron maybe 2-3 times a week, but the instructions, especially on the iron, are rather unclear, and I don't have a test kit...

2. Excel: I have been dosing 1.5 mL /10g (I had an algae problem) and my plants have been doing wonderfully. With the addition of pressurized co2, do I need to continue dosing excel, are there advantages or disadvantages in continuing with the CO2, since the bottle says it can be used with or in place of CO2...

and I think that's it for now! The canister is set up, co2 is next!
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Old 07-13-2006, 09:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hey Cassie - congrats on making the plunge!

1. Flourish contains your micros. Dosing 2-3 times per week is more than sufficient. It also contains some iron (as do several liquid ferts). You may or may not be needing to dose additional iron.

2. Excel is primarily designed to provide carbon for your plants - you shouldn't need it once you've added CO2.... Unless you're using it for it's well known effect on some algaes. Even still with CO2 and a regular fert schedule you might see any algae disappear anyways.


Your new filter will probably cause a mini cycle unless you've saved quite a bit of the old biological filter. Let me know if you want 1 or 2 of the used pads from my tanks to put in there. I have 2 XP2s running on my big tank.
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I threw all of the old media (filter floss) from my two hob's into the empty middle basket in order to (hopefully) prevent a mini-cycle and those are actually right below the ceramic rings, so (in my head, at least) I have the water flow pushing the bacteria into this nice empty space open for rapid colonization...

in regards to ferts, I was thinking of switching to the dry ferts from Greg Watson, just so I can have a better idea of what exactly I am doing... as for the iron some of the leaves on one of my hygros were yellowing, so I thought there might be a problem there. I added it at the same time as the excel though, and the problem as ceased, but I'm not sure if it was the iron or the excel.
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Adding CO2 and then more light should increase nutrient uptake quickly, and I think picking up dry ferts is a wise idea. Mike/turbomkt still has KNO3 and KH2PO4 for a couple bucks per the trading thread, by the way.

As Carl said you could still use Flourish as your micro/trace mix, and, assuming you're going high-light, it's certainly most effective to dose it and macros regularly on a schedule. If you prefer, I'm sure many members can walk you through fertilizing at the meet to simplify or augment the dosing methods described in the fertilization forum.

Post your tank size and lighting/etc specs and we can suggest good dosing to start with. Then you can load up on plants at the meet to also eliminate plant mass. With plants, light, CO2, and good dosing, the only thing you'll have to worry about is trimming
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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well there was a delay in setting up the CO2, as the regulator was broken, so I'm getting the new one today. And I noticed that in my 10g cherry tank I have babies! I saw two teeny-tiny little guys, they couldn't have been over half a cm! and now I'm seeing even smaller (like 1-2mm) white things moving around in a shrimp like manner on the glass...is this more? I'm so excited!
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Cassie,
Depending on your light a typical dosing schedule for a 30 gallon would be,
7-8ml flourish (water change friday, dose sun, tue, thu)
15 ppm of No3 (dose sat, mon, wed)
1.5 ppm Po4
Keep Co2 around 30 ppm. Lights 6" from water surface. If you need help with dry ferts let us know. You can either dose dry or mix them with water. Best advice is to keep from getting algae, is to jam the tank with plants. When the tank gets established, switch from foreground and background when replanting.
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turns out it was the co2 tank, and as I work tomorrow, I have to wait until Sunday to get it all set up! a bit frustrating, but I know it will all be worth it in the end! thanks for the advice on the ferts, but is the 7-8mls of flourish per week (so 7-8/3) or is is 7-8 per dose, three times a week?
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It depends on your light, but with my tank it is 7mL, three times per week.
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