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Old 06-17-2007, 11:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hello. I am new to the site and new to planted tanks. I have been doing reef tanks for about 4 years but that seems to be coming to an end.

I wanted to see if anyone here locally has enough plants to fully stock my tank. It will be a 40g with a couple 24 watt T5HOs set up according to Diana Walstads Ecology of a Planted Tank (BTW, awesome book!). So I will be looking for various Anubias, Cryptocoryne, Echinodorus, Hygrophila, Sagittaria... basically anything that will do well in a "Walstad" tank. I will also be looking for some nice pieces of wood too. I plan on having around 30 cardinals and a few mid-sized angels.

I probably wont have the tank set up for a couple of weeks, but figured I would throw this out there now.

BTW, I really like this site and have found it to be very friendly and informative.

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Old 06-18-2007, 07:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Jesse, welcome to APC.

A couple of thoughts..... are you looking for handouts or are you looking for specific plants for sale? I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that almost no one has enough plants on hand to "fully stock" a 40g tank. This is especially true for slow growers such as anubias and crypts which don't show up that often in the "for sale" part of the forum. I've found that the best source for these is usually the various on-line vendors. Check out the "sponsors" link in the toolbar. If there are a few specific plants you're looking for, feel free to create a "Wanted to Buy" post. Even better, join a local plant club. This is by far the best way to meet people, get advice, and get access to cuttings from the other member's tanks.

Second, cardinals and angels don't make the best tank-mates. Medium-sized angels quickly become rather large angels (within a few months) so don't plan on them staying that size. Large angels have a quirky habit of eating anything that'll fit in their mouths, especially cardinals. Some people get away with it, some don't.
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Old 06-18-2007, 09:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Hi Jesse, welcome to APC.

A couple of thoughts..... are you looking for handouts or are you looking for specific plants for sale? I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that almost no one has enough plants on hand to "fully stock" a 40g tank. This is especially true for slow growers such as anubias and crypts which don't show up that often in the "for sale" part of the forum. I've found that the best source for these is usually the various on-line vendors. Check out the "sponsors" link in the toolbar. If there are a few specific plants you're looking for, feel free to create a "Wanted to Buy" post. Even better, join a local plant club. This is by far the best way to meet people, get advice, and get access to cuttings from the other member's tanks.

Second, cardinals and angels don't make the best tank-mates. Medium-sized angels quickly become rather large angels (within a few months) so don't plan on them staying that size. Large angels have a quirky habit of eating anything that'll fit in their mouths, especially cardinals. Some people get away with it, some don't.
No, I'm DEFINITELY not looking for handouts. I guess I am just looking for a few people in the So Cal area that have a few plants to spare. LIke you said, maybe it would be better for me to just post a "WTB" thread.

Thanks for the heads up on the cardinals/angels. Looks like I may need to modify my fish choices then.

Ill check out the sponsors too.

Thanks again.

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Old 06-18-2007, 11:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Sounds good. About the angels and cards..... I think they're both fabulous fish. I used to keep and breed angels. They're certainly nice fish. For some reason they aren't too popular with the planted tank crowd. Maybe it's their sometimes-aggresive behavior or maybe it's just their size. They can be kept perfectly well in a 20g tank, but to display at their best they really need something larger.

They've been characterized as community fish, but I don't find that to really be true - more like community fish with a few caveats. With larger tetras they'd probably be ok. I've kept them with congos, hatchetfish, and even serpae tetras. I tried it with neons and they'd occasionally disapear. Cardinals are fabulous fish when you can find healthy ones.

If you're set on the angels, choose a slightly larger tank-mate, but avoid anything that might be tempted by the angels long fins. If you're set on the cardinals, I'd consider some of the other S. American chiclids such as rams or maybe apistos.
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Old 06-18-2007, 06:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I thought I'd chime in here...I'm one of the ones who currently is getting away with having angels and cardinals together, but a lot of it depends on the particular angel's temperament. I got my pair when they were quarter-sized and at that point the tetras were nearly bigger than they were, and since they've grown up with them, I've lucked out and not had a problem with them becoming lunch. For most people, it doesn't work that way. For a 40g, you could try a single angelfish as your centerpiece to really show it off (if you end up with more than one male angel, you'll have some major problems!) and a school of larger tetras, like guaiac_boy suggested.

Since you posted this in the SCAPE section, I'll assume you are from SoCal, and we do have our local club, so between all of us you might have some luck with at least some of the plants you are looking for, and might even be able to work out some local pick up deals to avoid shipping costs. We have a site here: SCAPE that more of our members check more often!
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Hehe, I don't look before I leap. Sorry to butt in on SCAPE's fourm. Take it away Cassie.......
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Don't worry, your input is appreciated, I just wanted to give him the local connection!
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