oh yeah, aaron, i did go to the show the other week. the best in show tank was really nice. i think i could've placed high in the novice miniture planted tank class though :wink: if you got other places that you know of that we can collect plants let me know, im starting a 60 gallon tank soon, so im gonna need a lot of plants. by the way, i work at Honolulu Country Club and there is a lot of water ways here, im gonna look for some plants there.