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So, "low tech" includes DIY CO2 ??
Good question. One point in this would be scope and effect. A DIY CO2 on a 20 or smaller would have a much different impact than the same set up on a 120 or larger. I don't know if folks using "low tech" use different amounts of DIY CO2 in different size tanks, but it would seem logical that you could very well be moderate to high tech even just with DIY CO2 in the tank. Then again, sometimes it's more of playing around with wine recipes than wanting CO2 in the tank...

Anyway, a good question that I don't have the answer for. I don't use it in my aquariums, but I have some wine brewing and am using the CO2 in my toad-arium (the 48"/10 gallon tank) for the emmersed plants. Cheers eh?
 

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I'll add my low tech to the list it's been setup for about 4 months in this picture with ada amazonia II substrate and led lighting, but it's still a working progress and just planted the foreground in this pic with staurogyne tropica this is the most recent pic I have right now from over a month ago and not much has progressed with the staurogyne tropica as well, not yet that is lol.



So, "low tech" includes DIY CO2 ??
I don't think it does but I could be wrong? For the only reason that low tech is also called non Co2 tanks but saying that you can also add Excel and it can still be a non co2 tank, maybe what they mean is non Co2 injected? but I havn't seen DIY Co2 classifed as low tech or a non Co2 tank, but that's just my observations from what I see.

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I don't know, but i think you'd look VERY ridiculous if you open up a stand in 2011's ADA/AGA convention where your new product line consists of a homemade juice jug with a sugar and yeast mix ;)
You could set it up in some crazy continuous yeast bio-reactor so you only have to add more sugar. Basically a huge auto-dosing set up for a yeast culture. Make sure to etch your fancy company logo on every part from the power cord on up.

 

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CO2 injection is the boundary I do not wish to cross. And I'm not too fond of Excel and fertilization either, although I am using them in some plant-only propagation nanos. But in anything 20 gallons and larger, with a soil substrate and robust fish population, I don't want to use either. I would use some supplemental fertilization to correct an obvious deficiency.
 

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Still waiting for davemonkey to comment. My question was in response to his compliment on a low tech tank that according to the poster was “Pretty much no maintenance... only change DIY CO2 every 2 weeks.”

I think it’s a great thread and like to see photos of tanks that are more stylized but still considered low tech or NPT. It would be helpful to know which tanks are being given CO2 bubbles.
 

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Hey Gumbie! Yeah, I think of DIY as a low-tech supplement since it's home-made and requires no gadgets of significance. It would NOT adhere to "El Natural" or Walstad method, but it is still a low tech way of getting carbon to the plants IMO. (But I'm not the authority on low-tech...so take that with a grain of salt. ;) )

Mudboot's comment also bears weight. A picotope with a gallon jug DIY on it is getting the same CO2 it would with a pressurized system. But still, that is a low-tech method of CO2, right?

The tanks that I have posted were not supplemented with CO2...at least not at the time the photos were taken. My 125 currently set up actually has pressurized CO2 now, which is why I won't post an update photo of it here...it's no longer low tech.
 

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Ah, got it. I deleted the word “pressurized” from my post. I think I’ll give the DIY CO2 a try in one tank. I'll have to hurry so that Jark and I are prepared to launch our new product line at the 2011 convention. :) :) :)
 

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I'll have to hurry so that Jark and I are prepared to launch our new product line at the 2011 convention. :) :) :)
HAHA! Sign me up for one of those as well! ;)
 

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Ah, got it. I deleted the word "pressurized" from my post. I think I'll give the DIY CO2 a try in one tank. I'll have to hurry so that Jark and I are prepared to launch our new product line at the 2011 convention. :) :) :)
good luck!! and make sure you remove ALL of the juice jug's labeling. Wouldnt want your costumers to think you're affiliated with Mott's :)

Still waiting for davemonkey to comment. My question was in response to his compliment on a low tech tank that according to the poster was "Pretty much no maintenance... only change DIY CO2 every 2 weeks."

I think it's a great thread and like to see photos of tanks that are more stylized but still considered low tech or NPT. It would be helpful to know which tanks are being given CO2 bubbles.
ah you meant my tank... in any case Dave never specifically complimented my tank. Maybe he re-write his post to do so ;)

Anyway.... no i dont think DIY is high tech. Far from it. Pressured CO2 is really high tech, mainly because it requires the work of several industrialised machines to make it happen. A co2 tank could be low maintenance... but its still tech.

In my case, there's much more technology going on in my lights and HOB filter than the DIY CO2 in itself, so i think you should have been more concerned with those. But for some reason lights, filters and UV lamps are "exempt" for NPTs........

Here's a good controversial one: i think Excel is much more techy than DIY CO2. Excel is an industrialised product and YOU have to add it every day, there is no natural process going on in the tank or around it to synthetise Gluta and introduce it to your tank. You can't make Gluta from stuff you'd find in your patio.

Now, the reason i dont use it is not because it is high tech... i dont use it because i have to pay attention to it, and dose it daily. I prefer being able to leave my tanks completely unattended for a week without worrying about an algae mess.
 

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Here's a good controversial one: i think Excel is much more techy than DIY CO2. Excel is an industrialised product and YOU have to add it every day, there is no natural process going on in the tank or around it to synthetise Gluta and introduce it to your tank. You can't make Gluta from stuff you'd find in your patio.
Let us not forget that gluteraldehyde is toxic--very toxic. I used to work with the stuff long ago when I was a lab tech, and all those warnings on the label are there for good reason. Even the fumes can cause permanent scarring on your corneas.
 

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Michael,
Being ignorant of all things carbon, I mistakenly googled “is Excel a form of CO2” and got quite an education.

F1ea,
Dave did compliment your tank, it was just inclusive. I think it is superb as well (and similar to mine). :)

I guess we’ll have to include you in our venture since without your remark, Jark wouldn’t have proffered his prototype. Remove the juice jug labels? Hmmm, perhaps Motts or Ocean Spray would like to sponser our gambit (e.g., Lowes, Viagra, Goodyear decals on race cars).

My tanks have plants, fish, snails, HOB filters and T5HO lights on timers. I use Flourish Tabs occasionally, and Prime in w/c. That’s it. I never considered them low tech or low maintenance, definitely not high tech. I feed the fish and check on the plants daily. I do weekly water changes because.....because I do.

Low tech, high tech, I guess it all comes down to semantics.
 

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El Natural, good flow, only biomedia, sunlight + that swivel light at night.

Amazing!


--Nikolay
 

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Just stumbled on this on Facebook. It's Ghazanfar's tank apparently.

The title says:
"No filter. No ferts. No CO2. Ambient light."



Don't know what substrate. It matters not - we are expanding this hobby into a new direction for sure:

LOW TECH AQUASCAPING.

--Nikolay
 

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I think Michael needs to setup the tank he has been beating around the bush about - low tech Iwagumi.

Besides being mindblowingly boring in real life Iwagumis seem to normally make use of even less plant species than Ghazanfar's tank above (if it's his). But I still think his tank is probably the first US low tech iwagumi ever. And I don't think that particular tank is boring in real life or on that picture.

--Nikolay
 
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