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I have been much impressed with the pictures that Biker has been sending to the Aquarium Photography Forum. From what I have seen, so far, he specializes in stem plants, and he grows related species together in groups and then photographs them. If you have not seen his pictures, you should go to the photography forum and look at them. He has over 90 posts, and most of them have pictures. If you are into stem plants, he has the collection to die for.

We need pictures like his for crypts. There are so many varieties, and the determination of whether they are species or not is a long way from being finalized. European Crypt enthusiasts mostly grow theirs emersed because they are easier to care for that way. Jan Bastmeijer has an extensive collection of emersed growth pictures, but very few submersed growth pictures.

I think that crypts are much more beautiful when grown submersed. Also, I think that differences in form and coloration are often greater in submersed varieties than emersed.

I would like to get interested crypt nuts started on a project to get pictures of groups of related crypts grown together. As we know, crypts are slow growers, and the time from planting to photographing is likely to be 6 months to a year.

Here are some groups that would be good subjects for group pictures. Let's start with one of the biggest groups.

1. C. wendtii varieties. There are so many of them! I have maybe four---a large brownish one, a smaller green with some brown one, a nearly all green one that I recently got from Naomi (gnome), one which I thought was var. red, but it doesn't look at all like the one pictured in the Plant Finder. I am not sure that all the above are wendtii. They came to me with that name, and they look sort of like I think wendtii ought to look with triangular, wavy, usually bullate leaves, broadest at the base. I know that there are quite a few varieties out there that I don't have. I have lost at least one through carelessness.

I volunteer to work on the wendtii group picture. I will set aside a tank for the project. Give me a few days to get pictures of the ones I have. I will post them and then ask those who have wendtii varieties not like mine to send me a plant of their variety. I will pay shipping costs.


Other volunteers? If you volunteer you can get varieties you don't have in your chosen group from other crypt nuts willing to participate.


Here are some other groups:
2. the crispatula group---balansae, crispatula, tonkinensis, etc. I have two, that are not balansae and not tonkinensis. My balansae died from poisoning by plastic trays. There is said to be a reddish balansae and a greenish balansae.
3. the beckettii group. Beckettii seems to exist in only one form, but there have been several different looking plants that people are calling petchii, the triploid form of beckettii. I had one that I thought was petchii that doesn't look like any of the present ones. Lost it. :cry:
4. the cordata group. Lots of forms here. I don't know very much about them. I have only one.
5. C. parva and the C. x willisii group. There is only one parva, but there seem to be a number of hybrids with parva and who knows what. These all are lumped unter the C. x willisii name by Jacobsen. Older names for these are C. nevillii and C. lucens. I suspect that there are more than one varieties that are in the nevillii subgroup and perhaps also the lucens subgroup.
6. the C. walkeri group. Lots of varieties here. these, when grown submersed are fairly large and have long narrow leaves. Maybe I am wrong here. The walkeri shown in Kasselmann has wider, shorter leaves widening all the way to the base, and it looks like the one I got from Naomi (gnome) that is supposed to be an all-green wendtii. Kasselmann says that walkeri can be differentiated from wendtii and beckettii by its "slightly stiff and upright growth". That doesn't help me. I am confused. All I know is that the one I think is walkeri was sold to me as lutea, and lutea is widely known by experts to really be a walkeri. My plant has long, narrow leaves that are green and brown to mostly brown. I have two other varieties similar to it in leaf shape, but not quite as large. One of these has red areas on its leaves, instead of brown.
7. the C. undulata group. I have what Jan Bastmeijer calls the 'classic' undulata. Apparently there are one or more other forms. Kasselmann's picture doesn't look like my plant.
8. C. pontederiifolia and C. moehlmannii. Are they visibly different when grown together?
9 C. albida. Are there really green and brown forms that remain green and brown when grown together?
10. C. affinis. The form available these days has muted colors compared to the old C. affinis (hartelliana) available in the early '60s. That plant had dark blue-green leaves with intense purple-red undersides. Does anybody have the old form? I don't have either form.
 

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This weekend, I will post some pictures of my wendtii varieties. I am pretty sure I don't have Mi Oya. Next order of business will be for me to get a cattail(!) out of my crypt tank. It came up from a seed just about 8 weeks ago, and is already trying to push the cover off.
 

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Or, you could post them in the album/ cryptocoryne catalog Maximum size 100K. Or you could post them here in this forum, same max size.
 

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Here are the promised pictures of my C. wendtii varieties:
1. Medium sized green with some brown. The center plant

2. Large brown wendtii, picture 1. This is the plant to the right. In the center is a smaller brown variety, which I no longer have.


3. large brown wendtii, picture 2. Here the plant has reached full size. It is growing in a 55 gallon tank. The little holes in the leaves are due to potassium deficiency.


4. Red wendtii? This is the small plant in the lower left. It probably can get a lot larger.



5. The small green wendtii I got from Gnome.

 

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Travis, Does your red wendtii look like my red wendtii? Do any other of your wendtii varieties look like mine? What I want to do is get together as many wendtii varieties as posssible, grow them in close proximity together, and then photograph them. This way I should be able to confirm whether or not they are, indeed, different from each other as well as get started on a collection of photographs that should be helpful in differentiating the varieties circulating around.
 

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I'd like to get my hands on those varieties that differ from mine so that I can get as many wendtii varieties as possible growing in one tank for photography. I can trade or pay. I can bring maybe 2 plants of my red variety, 5 or 6 little plants of the wendtii x hybrid, and 3 plants each of my large brown and medium green-brown varieties to the AGA convention for trade. I can also bring a bunch of Nymphoides sp. taiwan for trade.
 

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I am quite sure that my red wendtii is a different plant from the red wendtii that you and others have now. I am not even sure it is a wendtii, but it probably is. It is an interesting crypt, and, if the the light is at all good, it is a dark chocolate brown on top and a dark red-brown underneath. Right now I only have a few plants of it eking out an existence in a gallon jar that gets hardly more than room light. I am going to have to get it in a better-lit tank and multiply it up for trade or give away purposes.
 

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Thanks for all the pictures, everybody. Everybody's red wendtii (except mine) looks the same, and the plant is getting quite easy for me to recognize, now. The color of the green above, and the red on the underside seems quite consistent. I think I will start calling mine the "chocolate wendtii" just to differentiate it .
 

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In a high light tank with CO2, my red wendtii has turned chocolate color on top with red below as you describe. These are so variable, I shy away from color descriptions as definitive for identification. No pic available at this time.
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Just when I thought I had good evidence that my wendtii was different!! I guess the only way to resolve this will be to get one of the red wendtii plants that looks like the ones in the pictures that have been recently posted here and grow it side by side with mine.
 

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I had one plant sent to me as C. usteriana, and now I am pretty sure it is C. affinis. It is rather small, and the undersides of the leaves are brownish red.

I now have what I am assured by no less than Jan Bastmeijer what is really C. usteriana. It is a little plant that is just getting started and has only one new leaf. I guess I was expecting it to look more like C. aponogetifolia.

Richard Sexton has pictures of C. usteriana at
http://viewimages.aquaria.net/plants/Cryptocoryne/u/UST/
The plant gets really big. The leaves of his plant are not elongated like the ones shown in Kasselmann. Also, the pink color underneath on Richard's plants isn't like the rusty color underneath the first new leaf of my plant. We shall have to wait and see what my plant develops into---------.
 

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My guess is that it was sold to you as c. lutea, and so it is really one of the C. walkeri varieties. My plant in the picture (sold to me as C. lutea) is getting more direct light and is a bit more brown. This plant seems to be one of the easiest of all to grow. It has long petioles and narrow leaves.
 

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aquaverde said:
Is there no way to positively identify a crypt through flowering?
With some species, yes. With others, especially, the Sri Lankan crypts, there is a lot of variety within what they think is a species, and the flowers are not always useful in deliniating one species from another. Jan Bastemijer's Crypts Pages has lots of flower pictures. http://132.229.93.11/Cryptocoryne/index.html
 
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