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Need help, got at Petsmart in asst Crypts, can anyone ID it?
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I disagree. I think that if people are too concerned with making things "easy" and go out of their way to not offend people, it can impair the learning process. In other words, there's no need to 'dumb it down' (although not many 'newbies' really need to dive into discussions about excess K interfering with calcium uptake and so on). We have a great community of people here and because of that, advancing in the hobby is a LOT easier than it used to be. I wish this kind of thing had been around when I was 14.Momotaro said:Understand you totally. However, I kind of believe in keeping the hobby simple and limiting the Latin and "tech-speak" whenever I can. Being too esoteric can embarrasing to the person who is not in the know.
I may be a stickler, but I feel strongly that we should try our best. I remember searching for Ammania gracilis and asking around for it for over a year before seeing it in a local store labled as "Borneo red hedge". That traumatic experience (and the myriad of mislabled plants there and elsewhere) forever shaped my views on the subject. It's a slippery slope kind of thing. If we don't try our best, we might end up like that store!I always felt that IDing with simpler names helps people who are newer to the hobby identify those plants better in less specialized situations.
I guess that depends on the LFS. :wink:For all intent and purpose didn't I identify the plant correctly, at least as we can tell by the photo? :wink: Isn't that what Trenac wanted?
If he were to shoot down to the LFS and buy a C. balansae, wouldn't he get the same plant?
I really think you are over exaggerating that to try and prove a point. You can walk into almost any LFS and buy Crypt balansae if you asked for Cryptocoryne crispulata var. "balansae", you'd never get the plant.Quote:
For all intent and purpose didn't I identify the plant correctly, at least as we can tell by the photo? Isn't that what Trenac wanted?
If he were to shoot down to the LFS and buy a C. balansae, wouldn't he get the same plant?
I guess that depends on the LFS.
I was KIDDING. The part about the "Borneo red hedge" is however, true.I really think you are over exaggerating that to try and prove a point. You can walk into almost any LFS and buy Crypt balansae if you asked for Cryptocoryne crispulata var. "balansae", you'd never get the plant.
I totally agree. We only disagree on how to do that. Different approaches may appeal to different people though, so perhaps we'll get everyone between the two of us. :wink:I never thought I would say it, but right now, the hobby is more about including new people than maintaining our "plant cliques".
I don't, really. Again, I certainly didn't intend to offend anyone! I only meant to clarify, not correct. There is a difference. I guess I shouldn't have said anything...Just to be consistent, if you feel that strongly about my "mistake"
That he has. I think I can find it in my heart to forgive him though. :lol:in my ID of the Crypt, might I also suggest you drop a line over to the ADA and let Mr. Amano know he has also been identifying the plant incorrectly in his books for years now. :wink: LOL!
Ok, but really just say balanse. Using incorrect Latin names as common names can't be a good thing. Slippery slope there.SCMurphy said:Just say "balansae" as that is it's common name and save the stickler stuff for when we are talking about the different var. of crispulata and there is an actual need to be proper. It could all change at any time given how cladistics are done.
ROFL!!!Cavan Allen said:Ok, but really just say balanse. Using incorrect Latin names as common names can't be a good thing. Slippery slope there.