Manipulated?
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I think this is a much bigger problem than some folks believe... I've also seen some perfect Rasbora formations that were suspect to me, also the colors of some plants (usually "ultra-super-rare" Ludwigia species from SE Asia) have their colors toyed with quite a bit... Done properly the color adjust is extremely hard to catch...
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I'm not entirely convinced that that picture is a fake. As I understand that picture dates from 1990. At that time image editing was pretty primitive.
Enlarging an image does not necessarily show much of the manipulation. I've often been surprised how fake a real picture looks when enlarged and zooming on the edges of the objects.
But even if Amano did some or a lot of manipulation or still does to this day. How does that change anything?
I wish all of us could see Amano's tanks in person. I suspect that many of us will be humbled a great deal just as I am when I look at Luis' and Jeff's tanks in person.
--Nikolay
Enlarging an image does not necessarily show much of the manipulation. I've often been surprised how fake a real picture looks when enlarged and zooming on the edges of the objects.
But even if Amano did some or a lot of manipulation or still does to this day. How does that change anything?
I wish all of us could see Amano's tanks in person. I suspect that many of us will be humbled a great deal just as I am when I look at Luis' and Jeff's tanks in person.
--Nikolay
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Sometimes what you think is PS'd is just a really good picture. Try this challenge:
http://www.alias.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/quiz.html
Oh, and if you get all of them right you get the bonus round.
http://www.alias.com/eng/etc/fakeorfoto/quiz.html
Oh, and if you get all of them right you get the bonus round.
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Bottom line...what you deem as fake may not be. Personally, I can see how the picture in question is possible (i.e. no reflections of the fish).
So...without seeing the setup of the shot and/or talking to the photographer (Amano himself?), it's (IMO) useless to argue fake or real.
Is it a growing trend to manipulate pictures? Sure is. In some cases you get more accurate colors. In others blemishes are removed. And then there are the times when the pictures are just plain fake. And yes, it is possible to manipulate pictures when using regular film, either through multiple exposures or combining pictures or adjusting exposure times for only portions of a picture.
I'm going to push the I believe button on this beautiful aquascape.
So...without seeing the setup of the shot and/or talking to the photographer (Amano himself?), it's (IMO) useless to argue fake or real.
Is it a growing trend to manipulate pictures? Sure is. In some cases you get more accurate colors. In others blemishes are removed. And then there are the times when the pictures are just plain fake. And yes, it is possible to manipulate pictures when using regular film, either through multiple exposures or combining pictures or adjusting exposure times for only portions of a picture.
I'm going to push the I believe button on this beautiful aquascape.
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Forgot to mention...manipulation could be as simple as sharpening a picture. That alone would give some of the artifacts in question.
Also, the hairgrass makes more sense to me when not taken out of context. When viewing the whole picture I can believe the way it looks.
Also, the hairgrass makes more sense to me when not taken out of context. When viewing the whole picture I can believe the way it looks.
I dunno. I dug out my copy of Book 3 Nature Aquarium World and looked at the print version. The hairgrass is shown in a side view.
But there's something wonky about the print version as well. Just under the nose of the second pair of Discus to the right, there's an Otto hanging onto a transparent surface that diagonally bisects the tank, as if there's a sheet of glass or a mirror in the tank. But that Otto isn't in the digital version. Weird.
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But there's something wonky about the print version as well. Just under the nose of the second pair of Discus to the right, there's an Otto hanging onto a transparent surface that diagonally bisects the tank, as if there's a sheet of glass or a mirror in the tank. But that Otto isn't in the digital version. Weird.
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9 out of 10!
Just a quick word on judging if an image has been touched up - there is absolutely no point in closely examining the borders of elements in a low resolution scan with obvious signs of image degradation due to the "lossy" nature of JPEG compression.
I for one am confident that Amano relies more on his skills with the lens & lighting than anything else.
It would be interesting to have access to some of his large format slide film originals... that would certainly put any dispute to rest.
I for one am confident that Amano relies more on his skills with the lens & lighting than anything else.
It would be interesting to have access to some of his large format slide film originals... that would certainly put any dispute to rest.
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CG is getting better, but it still has a look to it.
When I first saw pictures of Amano's tanks I always wondered if they were actually artist renditions because they looked to hyper-realistic, but the man is a professional photographer and does have all the equipment needed to create the perfect shot.
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