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Hey everybody...

I'm new to the forum, and have done a bit of searching around on the site for this topic, but still haven't quite found a definite answer or solution. ...great site by-the-way...

I have "white fuzz" on my plant leaves - both new growing tips as well as older leaves. The fuzz grows on all species of plants in my tank, but not on the rocks or driftwood. This is a recent development in my tank, and during the first "episode" I trimmed all visible "fuzz" covered leaves/plants and removed all that I could see. After a week or so, and several routine water changes later, it is coming back. If left alone, it appears to spread fairly quickly throughout the tank.

I am assuming it is a fungus, but what do I do to get rid of it? I am at the point right now that I don't think additional trimming will really help.

Here are the specifics of my tank:
-120gal
-Heavily planted, moderate fish load
-Temp = 78-80
-pH = 6.8ish (+/- depending on the water change cycle - but pretty constant)
-Hardness (kH) = 4 - 5 (variations due to water changes)
-CO2 injection
-Water changes = totals roughly 50 - 60% per week
-Intense fluorescent lighting at roughly 10 hours/day
-Minimal algae (other than routine glass film which is taken care of during water changes)
-I add liquid calcium for my snails (spiral substrate snails)
-I add liquid plant fertilizer from time to time (mostly iron) for leaf color/health

What I have tried so far:
-Trimming
-I just recently added aquarium salt

Any suggestions??????? ...I'm really open for any ideas. I will also try to post a couple of pics.

Thanks much for any help.

Chris
 

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Here are a couple of pics. ...I had to shrink them down, so hopefully the quality is still there to show the fuzz clearly.

The first pic shows one of my red temple plants with the fuzz on it. Although the center leaves show it clearly, if you look closely you can see a "haze" around other leaf edges - this is the fuzz in its early stages.

The second pic is a close-up of one of the leaves. Again, these pics only show the temples, but the fuzz is on bocapa, rotella, etc... and even on the newest of growing tips.

Thanks again for any help/suggestions!

Chris
 

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Well... I have news - and possibly a solution to my problem.

My wife did a web search on the possibilities of some sort of fungus, and stumbled on a thread somewhere about adding aquarium salt to the water (she is scary good when it comes to web searches). Now... I know that aquarium salt is supposed to be good for tanks and fish, but I'll be honest, I pretty much have never added it before. ...my fish have always been pretty healthy so I never thought about it.

Well...as I stated in my last post with the pictures, I recently added aquarium salt (the morning I posted the pics, and at a dosage as generally prescribed on the carton) as a "what the heck - why not" treatment before I tried chemicals. After being gone all day today, I came home to find nearly 100% of the "white fuzz" gone. I only have a few leaves with - what appears to be - the last dying bits of the stuff clinging on. My guess is that by tomorrow, it should all be gone.

I see that a number of folks checked this post over the past couple of days, so for those that check back in, I'm quickly becoming a believer in adding salt. Now my question is... has anyone ever had any PROBLEMS with adding aquarium salt????

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I might try this on mine too. My algae is rhizoclonium. How much did you use? and any specific kinds?
 

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This is not an endorsement of the product/company - just a statement of what I used...

It was Dr. Wellfish's Aquarium Salt, and I simply followed the recommended "one rounded tablespoon per 5 gallons" prescription.

This morning it looks like there are a couple of leaves that still have a little fuzz hanging on, so my plan is to do another water change, trim the last couple of leaves, re-salt the tank as prescribed, and see what happens.

Good luck with your effort.

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I have never used aquarium salt, except when I was trying saltwater, then brackish water fish. This is interesting! I'm not at all sure what the white stuff you had was, since I have never seen it, nor read about it before. I wonder how the salt could have an effect.
 

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Well.... I may have spoken too soon. We'll see.

The white fuzz is definitely reduced, but it is still hanging in there on some leaves. Now the problem is that a bunch of my temple leaves are falling off, and I now have staghorn algae popping up!!!!

I have no idea what the %&#[email protected]*& is going on... I went from a GREAT looking tank, to this in a matter of 10 days! We'll see... I'm off to do a water change...

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I also have this "white fuzz" it looks like on several of my plants and seems to be spreading. I first noticed it on 1 plant a few days ago and I reached in the tank and just pulled it off the leave and it was just slimey, really didn't think much of it but today after studying my tank I began to notice a bunch more and I (again) started reaching in and pulling out what I could where it had clumped up pretty good on some of the leaves. I took several pictures but only managed to get one that was focused enough to share here. Take a loof to the left of the two large stalks on this Water Wisteria, (link below) just to the left and on the leaves you can see a white blob, that is whats spreading.



Assuming it is fungus of some sort I have also added Aquarium Salt and I also picked up a bottle of Mardel Maroxy, it says it's for True fungal infections of fish & eggs, I'm hoping it will (or the salt) clear this up in my tank.

If anyone has any other ideas that I might try, I'm all ears! My worry is that whatever this is will consume my plants to an extent that they will not be able to recover fully resulting in a major prune back which I would hate to have to do again.
 

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Keep us updated. Mine looks similar to that only that it's like 10x's worse. I'm gonna try the H2o2 method tomorrow to see if it helps at all.
 

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After adding the Mardel Maroxy, my tank seemed to really be unaffected and even had MORE of this fungus. I picked up a bottle of "Fungus Eliminator" made by Jungle Labs ( www.junglelabs.com ) and this morning there is "less" of this fungus in my tank. It's not completely gone but it definately seems like it's being effected. The bottle says to dose again if needed after 4 days and perform a 25% water change prior to dosing.
Normally wouldn't post about this till it's definately worked but wanted to let those of you know what seems to be working for me at least so perhaps if your situation isn't improving you may try it too. I have had no adverse effects to my plants or fish using this product either (so far) although it does say "Some live plants may be sensitive to this product" on th bottle.
It will turn your water yellow (fair warning) but will dissapate over night.
 

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I'm sad to see I'm not the only one with this crudd!

I, too, decided to go ahead and chemically treat with a fungicide. I used Fungus Cure from API... Although the straight aquarium salt knocked it back for about a day after initial treatment, it jumped right back. Plus, I didn't find out until a little later that for planted tanks, you don't want to use a "full" dosing of salt - you need to keep it about have the recommended dose or less (i.e. no more than about 1/2 Tbs./gal) otherwise your plants will suffer.

I am at the end of the recommended two treatments - each 48 hours - and will be doing a water change after I finish this post. While it seems it put a significant hurt on the fuzz, I can still see a few small areas holding on. ...I'll know how much was able to hold on when I get the water cleared out a little more.

This stuff is unreal - hopefully one of us (or another viewer) will stumble onto the cause/cure for this stuff!

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I ended up getting a slight tank leak and ended up buying another tank all together, however during this (worst case scenario) process I decided to go ahead and literally "wash" the fuzz off my plants. I used a 25% bleach to water solution and set the plants in there for about 4 minutes.
I then rinsed them under tap water for a minute and then placed them in a tub of fresh water to "soak" for about 5 minutes. I took this time to clean some of the seriously effected plants with a toothe brush and again rinse under regular cold tap water. Some of my plants required some pruning and others were so full of this "slimey fuzz" that I just ended up getting rid of them.
After this I placed them all in a 5 gal pail of dechlorinated water and let them soak for about 15 minutes before placing them back in the tank. My water wisteria didn't hold up well at all, however my water sprite seems as if there were never an issue. My swords are as if they never went through any ordeal at all. If you have thick stemmed hearty plants and nothing else works this may be a solution, however I will admit I am not so sure I would have gone this far had my tank itself not started leaking on the floor. :heh:
As far as "what" this stuff is I have no idea, I am assuming it's some sort of a fungus and many say it sounds similar to what happens if you over feed but I am almost certain this is not the case because I at no point seen this "fungus" growing anywhere but on the plants themselves.
I'm monitoring my plants and studying the tank daily to see if this stuff pops back up, right now everything looks good. Be sure and post results though about what comes of your "treatments".
 

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That looks like yeast. When I use to use DIY co2, sometimes by accident i would get the yeast water into my tanks. The next day I would find that kind of white fuzz on my plants.

So I just took out the plants and dipped it in some hydrogen peroxide for less than a minute or so. Then in a few days, gone. Hope that helps.
 

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Hope your efforts pay off! I went ahead and did a full treatment of fungicide, water changes, and another hearty trim, so we'll see how that goes. So far so good. I pulled my rocks out and nuked them in a bleach dip (they were just starting to get some nasty algae as well), and really siphoned the gravel well - so hopefully that provides added help. We'll see.

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MartialT- It could be yeast for other but not for mine since I don't use DIY, though I have in the past and know that they both look alike.

Chroe- I almost tried fungicide but was scared that it might hurt any shrimp that I have or will have in the future so I didnt try it, but let us know updates.

mtoler820- I tried bleach and it killed the algae as well as most of my plants I tried with it. A lot of the algae was found on the ground so I couldnt really bleach that.

Here's some updates on mine.
http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/...c-problems/49088-help-identify-algae-pix.html
 

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I really do not no much about the white algae or fungus, but doesn't fungus only grow on dead things? It if is on plants (ie. living matter), I wouldn't think it would be a fungus, but more likely algae that appears white based on the lighting of the tank.
 

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I am not sure what exactly it is but I am noticing it "slightly" with my new tank now too. I was wondering if perhaps it was something to do with a "new tank" type syndrome but that wouldn't make sense since my other aquarium had been established for some time. However here is what I have come up with since setting up my newest tank.
60 Gal tank (lightly planted)
EcoComplete substrate 70 lbs
1.8 WPG ( yesterday upgraded to 6.12 WPG)
Pressurized Co2 (Indicator is always green and I dont shut it off @ night)
30 varioius Tetra's
Fluval 4 In-tank Filter
Over back of tank Bio Filter

I originally setup the tank with the NEW substraight (didn't use the old gravel at all) I added the reccommended dosage of Aquarium Salt, treated it with a bacteria suppliment, added a little Floyurish Excell & the regular Flourish Plant Suppliment according to bottle dosage reccommendations. Within days I noticed a Algae bloom starting (green water) and did a 25% water change, followed by a 40% water change the following day. The tank seemed to clear up and was fine. I didn't add anymore nutrients during the water cycles because I figured I had probably already had too much nutrients in my water with the EcoComplete and few plants. I have not (about a week now) added anymore plant suppliment and have done regular water cycles of 50% weekly and sometimes during the week I would remove about 5 gallons and replace it. I'm seeing an increased amount of "waste" I assume from the fish in my gravel that the plants are unable to use and I am HOPING that this will stabalize when my new plants arrive. I ordered a 48 plant assortment online and am just waiting for them to arrive. Back to my hypothesis here with setting up the new tank, and all of the problems I had with the last is this.... Is all of this possibly resulting from my tank of been to "rich" having excess nutrients?
Is there another avenue I could persue? I am starting to see very fine pieces of this "FUZZ" again on some of my fine "hair like" plants and it's definately white. I have recently treated my tank with a algae remover just incase this stuff is algae but my gut says it is not.
Looking back, I also noticed this stuff pop up after I had heavily pruned back my plants and performed a mojor water change after algae got out of control in my first tank. This makes me wonder if the initial cause might have been nutrient related.
Any ideas are welcomed, I'm hesitant with adding my new plants if this stuff is going to consume them too, and washing EcoComplete in bleach just doesn't seem logical, or I would start from scratch and not add supplimnets at all till the plants asked for them.
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I really do not no much about the white algae or fungus, but doesn't fungus only grow on dead things? It if is on plants (ie. living matter), I wouldn't think it would be a fungus, but more likely algae that appears white based on the lighting of the tank.
I believe I have figured out what my problem is. I think the scenario I am experiencing is directly related to hard water, and the Co2 enrichment somewhat. I have been using pressurized C02 for about a month and after setting it up (used to use yeast setup) I started noticing this "fuzz" much more. After several conversations with my LFS I bought the Mardel 5 in 1 test strips which enabled me to take water hardness tests as well. Previously I had only tested for Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite, and PH which comes with the API Master Test Kit.
After testing my water I found out that the water hardness was in excess of 425 ppm and the Alkalinity / Buffering capacity was indicating it was between the 240 - 300 colors on the test strip. I did some searching online in google and found this:
"The reason your plants are degenerating is the hard water. When the water has a high ph and is hard, nutrients don't stay in the water long enough for the plants to use them. They evaporate out quickly and the plants are unable to use the nutrients. So making the ph and the water softer is the first steps in a successful planted aquarium."
I now am starting to think that perhaps the water is too hard for the majority of my stemmed plants and they are unable to properly feed from there roots, eventually they start decaying and with my lighting and C02 enrichment the tank is growing all kinds of this "fuzz" because essentially while many of my plant leaves are able to pull some nutrients out of the water itself the plant stems / roots are decaying & dead enabling this fungus growth and explaining why nothing I try seems to really work.
I'm going to try purchasing 20 gallons of RO water from my LFS and completely setting up my tank all over. I have a 55 Gal tank I will add some RO water too and place the plants in my existing tank in there to see how they do over the next couple weeks and if they show signs of clearing up and coming back I will add them to the tank again. Otherwise I'm going to give in and start over with new plants and a completely new setup using RO water. I'm going down to my LFS today to order a RO filter today and start the process of genuinely softening my water.
Seems the fish are able to adapt to the harder water where allot of my plants are not. After the decay sets in with the plants that cannot handle the hard water this white stuff starts growing and eventually contaminating everything. Water changes make the tank "look" decent but the problem, at least for me (I believe) is the water itself.
Has anyone else heard of this before? Does this sound like a plausible cause for what is happening?
I've been trying to treat the "fuzz" when I'm starting to think the original issue started with the water itself. :confused:
 

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Desert Hot Springs? doesn't your water come from an uderground aquifer? I guess that could make for a bad day as far as hardness. Are you going organic or synthetic RO? Organic lasts longer, but synthetic works harder. Just wondering. Hope it helps. Be sure to let us know
 
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